What container do you prefer? - Poll [Archive]

Razor88

11th January 2006, 17:46

Current:

1st: MKV- 14 votes (quite predicted)
2nd: AVI- 7 votes (start using new container)
3rd: MP4- 5 votes (whares the rest of it's users)
4th: DIVX-1 vote (nobudy likes new things eh)

And last place with no votes OGM.

Please continue to vote.

dragongodz

12th January 2006, 02:08

(quite predicted),(start using new container),(whares the rest of it's users),(nobudy likes new things eh)
hmm funny but i thought you were interested in finding out what others were using and not pushing your opinions on what they should be. nobody says you have to use what someone else does but neither do they have to use what you do nor have the right to criticise their choice.

Sirber

12th January 2006, 02:17

hmm funny but i thought you were interested in finding out what others were using and not pushing your opinions on what they should be. nobody says you have to use what someone else does but neither do they have to use what you do nor have the right to criticise their choice.He's giving $5 to everyone voting for MKV ;)

dragongodz

12th January 2006, 02:30

He's giving $5 to everyone voting for MKV ;)
dang, why didnt he tell me that to start with, though $5 seems a little low. :)

kotrtim

12th January 2006, 03:06

Can I vote 2?

I use MKV for XviD+Vorbis

use mp4 if both of the video and audio streams are MPEG-4 standard

Recently, I use AVC+AAC, so I use mostly mp4. (therefore, I vote mp4)

Razor88

12th January 2006, 07:42

japouleripeur

12th January 2006, 10:42

I was told that mkv playing standalone will be on the market this year. Wait and see.

Razor88

12th January 2006, 10:57

That will be great if that will happen.

And by who you ware told?

[)370|\|470!2

12th January 2006, 11:02

I put h264 and AAC in AVI. Yea, sue me :D

temporance

12th January 2006, 11:24

Since .divx is a subset of .avi, we could add the divx votes onto the avi total.

Just a thought.

Doom9

12th January 2006, 11:28

Since .divx is a subset of .avi, we could add the divx votes onto the avi total.You shouldn't vote .divx if you're just using the avi parts of it. The point in having both is to see who uses the standard featureset, and who the souped up version.

B@Ron

12th January 2006, 13:29

Hi,
Voted mp4!(muxed with mp3@160kbps:)). And if I really want .ac3 in my mp4 encoded movies I use MPC;)
1'st one(Y)eey

communist

12th January 2006, 13:42

Avi, because 99% of the stuff I process / edit is DV and there is no real gain in putting it into different containers ;)

Razor88

12th January 2006, 19:22

Since .divx is a subset of .avi, we could add the divx votes onto the avi total.

Just a thought.

Actually it`s mp4 modified by divx for there use.

DeathTheSheep

12th January 2006, 20:49

.divx is a modded MP4??! And here I was thinking it was a souped up AVI...;)

Revgen

12th January 2006, 20:58

OKAY, Who voted for .DIVX!:angry:

Come out! Come Out! Where ever you are!:devil:

JK:D

DeathTheSheep

12th January 2006, 21:03

It was MEEEE!!!!

Just kidding!! I'm OGM all the way. The preposterously low overhead is exteremely appealing.
My second favorite is AVI because of its ease of editing.

mod

12th January 2006, 21:04

OKAY, Who voted for .DIVX!:angry:

Come out! Come Out! Where ever you are!:devil:

JK:D
Don't you like the EXTREMELY USEFUL possibilities of .divx ?!?!? :D

smok3

12th January 2006, 21:11

http://www.container-recycling.org/

OvejaNegra

12th January 2006, 21:12

MKV
1-Nice Support
2-Nice Tools
3-(allmost) Everything is allowed
4-VFR allowed
5-Easy to use utility (mkvtoolnix) "add and mux"
6-all your favorite stuff is allowed (?264, XVID, DIVx, MOV (i like this one), ac3, aac, srt, ssa, ass, attachment, etc
7-Easy to demux

Hardware support is a problem but no for me

;-)

slavickas

12th January 2006, 22:47

NSV... with H.264 and AAC+ inside :)

japouleripeur

12th January 2006, 22:51

That will be great if that will happen.Yes:)
And by who you ware told?Someone in a french forum...

bond

12th January 2006, 23:24

You shouldn't vote .divx if you're just using the avi parts of it. The point in having both is to see who uses the standard featureset, and who the souped up version.afaik there is nothing really practically useable in .divx till now except subs

deets

12th January 2006, 23:34

hmm, i use mp4 mainly for the psp currently, although avi for the standalone player.

i prefer mkv though, so that got my vote :D

thetrueavatar

12th January 2006, 23:46

mkv forever but still waiting that a player support mkv menu.

Hyper Shinchan

12th January 2006, 23:56

MP4ever!

Mtz

13th January 2006, 00:22

OKAY, Who voted for .DIVX!:angry:

Come out! Come Out! Where ever you are!:devil:

JK:D
Maybe some frustrated user which bought a Sony DivX player. Because no support for external subtitles (.sub, .srt) he is forced to mux the subtitles in .divx using for example srttobmp. He can choose the font which want and is not depending for the miserable font included in 99% of standalone official firmware players.
Voted for avi because all my DivX players can play external subtitles and the font included in the firmware is made by me, as I like. :devil:

enjoy,
Mtz

charleski

13th January 2006, 01:05

Since the title was 'which container do you prefer'. I voted for mkv because it still offers the best flexibility (really stellar on that account actually). I actually use mp4 because it's more of a standard and I hope that at some point the tools for it will have matured to a level that can compete properly.

Unfortuantely the flexibility of mkv is one of the things militating against it becoming standardised for anything other than fully-fledged computers. It just supports too much functionality to build it into a cost-limited embedded device.

Benedikt

13th January 2006, 01:13

Hi there,

as I'm willing to do the step away from a MS-influenced world (at least on the topic of video compression) I'm wondering about how the OpenStandard and FOSS-aficionados among you would decide - for MP4 or for Matroska? The reason: I'm just starting on converting my movie archive consisting of .avi-files to an archive of "open" container files (considering I already used mostly opensource-codecs like xvid or x264).

I know that MP4 is an ISO-standard, but it is, in terms of licensing, as free as Matroska? I'm thinking more in the political/social direction of decoding movie/video-archives in the distant future, as most of you know the discussions about digital libraries and file-formats suitable for long-time-archiving (which should IMO be only "open" formats like PDF or OpenDocument).

Can one call MKV or MP4 "more open" compared with each other? Which is more future-proof? I think (at least for me) now is the right time to get rid of my propietery .avi-containers and switch to a free container format - and I know of course, that apart from technical specifications this is quite an ideological question... :-)
Considering that aspects, which format should I choose?

Joe Fenton

13th January 2006, 02:27

MKV looks nice on paper, but in reality it's a real pain in the ass. No current linux player plays current MKVs properly. Even Windows players have trouble with the latest MKV. They keep changing it in a non-backwards compatible manner, meaning you're forced to update... IF an update is available. That's the problem in linux. Mplayer and xine are statically compiled, so every update to MKV means you have to wait for your repo to recompile mplayer or xine, or you have to try to build it yourself.

On the other hand, OGM hasn't changed in a LONG time and everything supports it without trouble now. You know an OGM will play. MKVs are a crap shoot. Maybe it'll play, and maybe it won't.

mg262

13th January 2006, 06:58

.AVI for anything I am working with (90% of stuff) because of AVISynth.

.VOB for anything I plan to watch (10% of stuff) until another ubiquitous standard replaces DVDs.

Koepi

13th January 2006, 08:44

Actually it`s mp4 modified by divx for there use.

I'm so impressed by the deep knowledge which seems to be involved here.

*giggle*

MetalPhreak

13th January 2006, 09:38

For me I prefer .mkv - Why?
Because I don't care about standalone support, Matroska can handle anything I feel like throwing at it, but my main reason would be of the exceptional subtitle support: I don't have to worry about having 2 files (like with .avi), I'm not limited to a single subtitle format (.mp4 but I don't know if it's possible to do other formats in with private streams) and I can use whatever font I feel like and embed it in .mkv and don't have to worry about my subtitles not lokking right if I were to upgrade to a new computer and some get lost.

DarkNite

13th January 2006, 09:57

Make that one more vote for Matroska.

[rant]

IMHO standalone support is almost irrelevant in today's converging "entertainment centers". I know it is in mine, and has been for quite some time.

However, I represent a very small percentage of the market. Hooray for the consortium.

[\rant]

mg262

13th January 2006, 10:56

Was the rant directed at my VOB vote? Does it bother you that other people are using stand-alones??

bond

13th January 2006, 12:26

I know that MP4 is an ISO-standard, but it is, in terms of licensing, as free as Matroska? I'm thinking more in the political/social direction of decoding movie/video-archives in the distant future, as most of you know the discussions about digital libraries and file-formats suitable for long-time-archiving (which should IMO be only "open" formats like PDF or OpenDocument).

Can one call MKV or MP4 "more open" compared with each other? Which is more future-proof? I think (at least for me) now is the right time to get rid of my propietery .avi-containers and switch to a free container format - and I know of course, that apart from technical specifications this is quite an ideological question... :-)
Considering that aspects, which format should I choose?the mp4 specs are open, the mp4 specs are freely available and the mp4 container useage is license free

dragongodz

13th January 2006, 12:26

I'm so impressed by the deep knowledge which seems to be involved here.

*giggle*
yes a growing trend it seems. i just cant be bothered to get in arguements trying to explain things to people anymore, my time is worth more than that.

for Razor88 though i present this little thread for his/her reading pleasure
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88988

[)370|\|470!2

13th January 2006, 12:33

Actually it`s mp4 modified by divx for there use.

:stupid: :readguid: ROFLMAO!

mod

13th January 2006, 12:39

Whatever ROFLMAO! means, I agree! :D

Razor88

13th January 2006, 13:48

Poll status:

MKV-41 votes
AVI-26 votes
MP4-19 votes
OGM-5 votes
DIVX-2

Wow more people than I was expected anyone else voting?

Caroliano

13th January 2006, 15:12

Can one call MKV or MP4 "more open" compared with each other? Which is more future-proof? I think (at least for me) now is the right time to get rid of my propietery .avi-containers and switch to a free container format - and I know of course, that apart from technical specifications this is quite an ideological question... :-)
Mp4 is as free as AVI. The only ideological diference is that patents and other things are owned by MPEG consortium, not by Microsoft. I don't think it is a big diference.

Also, Xvid an x264 are surounded by MPEG patents, you can't distibute the content you created with them freely. Well, almost for an home user point of view, but not totaly. Xvid binaries distribution for example can be prohibited if MPEG guys want.

All is AFAIK. Any corrections welcomed.

As for pool, I voted MKV, but I still use a lot of AVI for compatibility, not exactly because I prefer it.

DarkNite

13th January 2006, 22:02

Was the rant directed at my VOB vote? Does it bother you that other people are using stand-alones??

No, it most definitely was not. My rant was not directed at anyone in particular.

I was just stating that an HTPC is, in my next to worthless soon to be flamed opinion, a better solution. At least, it's proven true for me in my experiences.

Disregard the consortium comment as it would take a considerably lengthy post to explain, and was just bad disestablishmentarianism humor anyway.

In the future I will refrain from ranting in posts on this forum. I apologize to those I have offended.

mg262

13th January 2006, 22:08

You didn't offend me at all -- I was just a bit surprised! I'm very willing to believe that a HTPC is an excellent solution... but my impression is that setting up such a thing is quite a bit of work and possibly rather expensive...

I have to say one reason I stick with DVDs rather than any of the containers in this poll is that I like the organisation (menus, etc) ... there something very satisfying in making a proper DVD; it is tangible and it feels like a crafted product in a way that a disk full of encodes doesn't.

DarkNite

14th January 2006, 02:49

I completely agree on the feel of a well mastered DVD, as I'm the one stuck with the holiday seasons duties of compiling the familial video archives into a nice, navigable compilation.

However, I also happen to be one of those people who secretly wishes DVD's would just automatically play when you insert them and skip the 30 second - 5 minute process of getting to a usable menu.

When I insert a disk full of rips with an autorun, or queue up a playlist, I relish the fact that I get my fix immediately. When I backup a scratched DVD I often just backup the movie/episodes, or make an autoplay DVD with the option of hopping to an appropriately themed menu for whatever extras I decided to keep.

Recently I have started compiling all the worthwhile extras into a repository of their own since they seem to get played in bunches once you begin to talk about the funny thing on this disk, or the alternate ending for that one movie, etc... Saves me a load of time that way, and is a welcome break at LAN events.