Crappy Bitrate.

[mech61]

Ive noticed in my last 2 rips the bitrate get lower, my last by far the worst. The movie is Tears Of The Sun PAL R4. Heres the log.

[08:34:47] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP ECLCCE encoder selected.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_03: 282,277 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 28,157 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 32,310 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 2,584 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 2,496,998 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 173,950 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 260,147 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 22,647 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 356,623 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 31,523 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 44,898 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,441 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 46,686 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,547 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 38,564 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 2,985 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 46,304 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,521 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 46,712 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,540 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_13: 32,310 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 2,515 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 39.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,602Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,177,160KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 2,703 / 2,703 Kbs
[08:43:32] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 9 minutes.

%39 reduction sucks even though its a 2hr movie with all extras blanked. I ran it though DVDShrink and can get %49 with full copy......Havnt burned the movie to watch yet to see if DVDRB is actually removing the extras and DTS.
Using DVDRB PRO 1.05.2. Any ideas thanks.

[Harrysmiith]

movie only split over 2 disks ?

[jdobbs]

It probably has some huge menus. Look and see how big the VTS_xx_0.VOB files are.

[rendez2k]

It probably has some huge menus. Look and see how big the VTS_xx_0.VOB files are.

Maybe try menushrink (http://jean.laroche.free.fr/MenuShrink) on it, if thats the case

[mech61]

Menu doesnt look that big.


http://www.users.on.net/~mech61/structure.jpg

heres what it looks like opened in DVDShrink. The extras seem to be the largest part except for the movie.

[jdobbs]

Is this from before or after Shrinking it? It looks like after.

[Rockas]

Yep... 261MB + 3,231MB + 1,146MB = 4,638MB ... seems like a "perfect" DVD-5 fit :)

[mech61]

Yeah stupid me.....heres the correct vob structure.

http://www.users.on.net/~mech61/vob%20(615%20x%20470).jpg

http://www.users.on.net/~mech61/vob2%20(615%20x%20470).jpg

couldnt get it all in one pic, you can see where it cuts and starts again.

[jdobbs]

Actually I just looked at your first post again. The 39% reduction that is reported is the reduction required before the extras are removed. Have you actually copied the disc with DVD-RB to see what it looks like?

[jptheripper]

um.. vts 05 has a 458mb menu.. that is huge

plus you ahve like 1.5gb of extras, even at half reduction thats 458mb for menu, say 800mb for extras (audio size is the same) so that is 1258mb lost already, leaving 3.4gb for movie..

[Boulder]

That much should still be well enough to have a decent bitrate.

According to the log, blanking the extras doesn't raise the bitrate at all?!

[apfraats]

Very very very simple....

If I see the posts there is MUCH MUCH more than just a main movie.....

So there must be extras or even menus doing the trick.

Simply use DVDSHRINK to reauthor to MOVIE-ONLY first, then sure there is just one VTS set left containing the main movie.

Use that as input.

Don't be concerned about's DVDSHRINK's reauthor bug, it's corrected by DVD-RB (vob-count, it's corrected in REBUILD and you get a warning message).

You have definitely not only the main-mopvie, as there are to many VTS_SETS and that can;t be possible doing a movie-only backup.

I backup MOVIE-ONLY using DVDSHRINK (see bugs reported for previous MOVIE ONLY jobs in DVD-RB, should be solved in the latest release, but I don't take risks here).

I don't miss the menus, as they won't work when leaving out extra's and audio or subtitling stream.

ONE IMPORTANT NOTE:

If you use DVDSRHRINK to do a movie-only backup USE LOGICAL REMAPPING OF OUTPUT STREAMS, so streams are consequetively numbered.

I have a DVD-player that doesn't like sequences as 082,083 so REMAP them logically. If you throw away the menus it doens't matter anyway, and you get nice output withoout 'missing streams' .

[mech61]

well I burned and watched it lastnight, looked ok but it didnt rip the directors comments or the DTS so im guessing applying the 1.05.2 updates has some how stuffed up my settings. I checked the setup and remove directors comments and DTS is still ticked, so ill do a full reinstall and try again.

[Boulder]

Very very very simple....

If I see the posts there is MUCH MUCH more than just a main movie.....

So there must be extras or even menus doing the trick.

He has chosen the movie+menus mode so the extras should be discarded. According to the log, they aren't for some reason as you can see that the bitrate before and after the blanking is the same.