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AJMS
14th December 2005, 04:01
Auto G. need one more update to work with new Divx 6.1



Introducing the DivX® 6.1 code

Today, we're excited to announce that the DivX 6.1 codec is finally here! It sports a ton of new features and enhancements, perhaps the most impressive being a massive improvement in encoding speed. According to our benchmarks, even a modest single CPU will run anywhere from 14 to 80% faster than the 6.0 codec depending on the quality mode selected. At the same time, brand new support for HT, SMP, Dual Core, and Dual Core + HT CPUs allows for gains of up to 300%!

dvd_maniac
14th December 2005, 22:17
Just wondering if anybody tested the quality compared to Xvid? What do people think?

Bardock
15th December 2005, 00:33
Since divx6, xvid doesen't has anything to do with divx.
Moreover, xvid hasn't been improved for a long time...

Rootz
15th December 2005, 02:07
Hi

I cant open AutoGK and i think it´s because new DivX codec 6.1

http://rootz.no.sapo.pt/error.jpg

dvd_maniac
15th December 2005, 02:12
I got the same error. I did a restore and tried again. Same error happened.
I hope LenOx has one more update in him...

len0x
15th December 2005, 10:52
I won't be fixing this. I'm really tired of working on divx compatibility, so if I have to do an update I'd much rather remove support for divx6 altogether.

P.S. if divx guys change versioning system of their DLL (that's why error is happening) - its not my problem.

Selur
15th December 2005, 11:52
"I'm really tired of working on divx compatibility, ..."
seems like they want to 'push' their own encoding solutions *gig*

stax76
15th December 2005, 12:07
P.S. if divx guys change versioning system of their DLL (that's why error is happening) - its not my problem.

For all version verifications I'm using last write date with 2 days tolerance. I'm using 20 applications in StaxRip and I don't think more than three (plus mine) applications get the versioning thing right.

dvd_maniac
15th December 2005, 12:40
I won't be fixing this. I'm really tired of working on divx compatibility, so if I have to do an update I'd much rather remove support for divx6 altogether.

This is too bad, but completely understandable. I have not used Divx in years but thought the SMP and speed ups were worth testing since I got a dual-core CPU. I guess I will stick with good old Xvid.
Using there convert program, my cpu is not maxing out anyways, plus I find it ridiculous that you can't put in a bitrate or filesize in that dumb program.

Grumpy Troll
15th December 2005, 15:16
I won't be fixing this. I'm really tired of working on divx compatibility, so if I have to do an update I'd much rather remove support for divx6 altogether.

Yes, it is understandable, the frustration factor must be enormous, Get rid of DivX support. There are "free" DivX Gui's available but still in "development".

Auto Gordian Knot is a great program. Why? lenOx takes time writing it, unlike some other programmers, so it works, even better than a majority of so called commercial programs.

Thanks for everything, Amigo

jggimi
15th December 2005, 15:20
I'm making a link to Len0x's post a "sticky" in the (A)GK forum. We've had several threads already, and without such a notice, I expect we'd get more.

thekid
15th December 2005, 19:42
Looks like autogk looks for a specific string for the version number of the codec

right now it looks for 6.x.x.xxxx and it doesn't like it if it finds something different

the 6.1 version codec is 6.1.1.2

since it only has one number at the end, autogk crashes

for some reason it works on one of my computers, but crashes on the other

anyway, Lenox said he was going to look at it, but not until January with all the holidays and stuff

who knew changing a version number would cause so many problems? :confused:

thekid...

dvd_maniac
15th December 2005, 22:46
anyway, Lenox said he was going to look at it, but not until January with all the holidays and stuff

This sounds great. I am hoping this is at least as good quailty-wise as Xvid and the spped increase is worth it all.

Thanx LenOx... And have a wonderful Holiday season

len0x
15th December 2005, 23:45
That's not what I said...
I said that I'm not going to have a look at it before end of January.

If before that no new versions of DivX are released that conform to the old versioning standard and ppl wish to run AutoGK and DivX on the same PC then I will just disable DivX6 support. There is no guarantee that I will ever resume AutoGK coding (in fact didn't I say that I won't???)

dvd_maniac
15th December 2005, 23:50
Sorry about that. I was just going on what I read. I am totally happy even having a program as awesome as AutoGK and I use it daily... I didn't mean to seem unappreciative. If you are able to look into it great if not, that's great too. I can "definitely" live with AGK as it is.

Again, I'm sorry if I misinterpretted what was said...

len0x
15th December 2005, 23:54
I was kinda addressing thekid though, who's being too optimistic about AutoGK's future :) I didn't really mean to confront dvd_maniac :D

thekid
16th December 2005, 00:23
didn't mean to put words in your mouth

sorry

thekid...

MeGaBrAiN
16th December 2005, 13:01
there are sime solution for problem (if you want make AutoGK start with 6.1 and dont want wait for next release of it):
1) find some resource editor program (like ResourceHacker from Angus Johnson)
2) make a copy of divx.dll
3) edit resource table of file and change version and product version to 6,1,0,0

thats all.. on my desktop AutoGK work perfectly...

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 15:40
MeGaBrain

Could you elaborate a little more on the instructions.
I downloaded Resource Hacker, opened Divx.dll, went to Version Info -> 1 -> 1033 in the navigation column. and on the right I see the following:

1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 6,1,1,2
PRODUCTVERSION 6,1,1,2
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x2
{
BLOCK "StringFileInfo"
{
BLOCK "040904b0"
{
VALUE "Comments", ""
VALUE "CompanyName", "DivX, Inc."
VALUE "FileDescription", "DivX"
VALUE "FileVersion", "6.1.1.2"
VALUE "InternalName", "DivX"
VALUE "LegalCopyright", "Copyright © 2001-2005 DivX, Inc. All rights reserved."
VALUE "LegalTrademarks", "DivX® is a trademark of DivX, Inc."
VALUE "OriginalFilename", "DivX.dll"
VALUE "PrivateBuild", ""
VALUE "ProductName", "DivX®"
VALUE "ProductVersion", "6.1.1.2"
VALUE "SpecialBuild", ""
}
}

BLOCK "VarFileInfo"
{
VALUE "Translation", 0x0409 0x04B0
}
}

What exactly do I change?

bearz
16th December 2005, 15:46
Megabrain, i tried your suggestion but obviously im too simple to edit the Recource Table, well i can edit it but then i press -compile script- and save the file,and then i cant open it again with the Resource Hacker.
The file seems to have lost its versions infos...

Recource Hacker tells me that it was "Unable to read Recource Section."

What am I missing here?

cheers

bear

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 16:08
same problem here

MeGaBrAiN
16th December 2005, 16:23
dvd_maniac


FILEVERSION 6,1,1,2
PRODUCTVERSION 6,1,1,2


only that strings.. nothig more.. after "compile"->"save"


What am I missing here?


seem to be you tried to open wrong file.. divx.dll located at %WINDIR%/system32

or yours dll packed by something like UPX

MeGaBrAiN
16th December 2005, 16:26
you can try my verison of ResHacker..

http://rapidshare.de/files/9277973/ResHacker.zip.html (~450 kB)

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 16:51
tried it. didn't work.
sent you a pm

MeGaBrAiN
16th December 2005, 16:53
got problem.. divx packed with PE Compact.. that thing integrates to shell, thats why i dont have any problem with edit dll

bearz
16th December 2005, 17:04
MeGaBrain.

thanks for your time and help.

Yupp, that is exactly the version i use... but still im too stupid,damn!

Heres exactly what i do :

Open file divx.dll from system32 folder, modified date 12/7/2005 size ~560Kb.
Open "Folder" called "Version Info" then

open Folder called "1", then i get this here at the top:

1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 6,1,1,2
PRODUCTVERSION 6,1,1,2
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x2
.
.
.

and change it to

1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 6,1,0,0
PRODUCTVERSION 6,1,0,0
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x2

then i press "Compile Script" and save it, which leaves me with a smaller file than it originally was, about 4kb smaller, thus i think something gets compressed that maybe shouldnt...

Or maybe i forgot to do some adjustments in the Resource Hacker.

cheers

b.

But anyways all that hype about twice as fast as before is probably not true anyways, xvid always gave me way better picture results and uses my HT P4 pretty good. But still one wants to verify that the hype remains a hype...

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 17:07
still didn't work for me megabrain.

tried your dll, same thing. can't open in resource hacker and AGK says wrong version using xvid instead.

MeGaBrAiN
16th December 2005, 17:11
file become smaller because of some internal page rellocations.. it won't be problem (i think :))

len0x
16th December 2005, 17:15
6.1.0.0 should NOT work - set it to something like 6.1.1.1700 and you will be fine

MeGaBrAiN
16th December 2005, 17:16
still didn't work for me megabrain.

tried your dll, same thing. can't open in resource hacker and AGK says wrong version using xvid instead.

problem of AutoGK

version of divx 6.0.3 was 5.3.bla-bla-bla

anyway i didn't and don't use divx :)

6.1.0.0 should NOT
its working well.. yours AutoGK falls trying to detect supported version of divx

len0x
16th December 2005, 17:27
its working well.. yours AutoGK falls trying to detect supported version of divx

well, its not the point :) the point is to make AutoGK recognize 6.1 as supported and then it will work just fine (having build >=1697).

bearz
16th December 2005, 18:15
Okay this is a little beyond my capabilities, anyway tried out a couple of progs but no success. How do i view/edit PEcompact compressed files with only modifying the recources? So far i tried PE (Recource) Explorer/Tuner and of course Bitsums Compact2, but without any luck, how do i change the version nr?
Any hints?

cheers

b.
:stupid:

len0x
16th December 2005, 18:31
version of reshacker from MeGaBrAiN does the job just fine...

UberDuper
16th December 2005, 19:44
I'm having the same problem here. After editing the dll, autogk gives an access violation on startup. The .dll can no longer be opened in reshacker.

UD.

ozy311
16th December 2005, 20:33
version of reshacker from MeGaBrAiN does the job just fine...

Not sure of your reasons for discontinuing AutoGK, as we all are very appreciative of such an app. I'm curious at why you didn't let us pay you for your efforts. But now that you've stopped active development, have you considered letting us pay you on a per incident basis for solutions and fixes? I prefer the Divx6 codec and hope for a solution to arise. I really feel that we would all pay you $20+ and pay for major upgrades along the way for such a killer app. Every time I go to Best Buy and see all the new shiny apps for ripping dvd's and converting, i just chuckle to know that you wrote such a better application and gave it away. If you are not going to continue, have you thought about opening the source code to the community or letting someone purchase it from you?

MediaMage
16th December 2005, 20:44
after applying script changes and saving

autogk still doesnt recognize the dll

why?

because somehow reshacker corrupts divx.dll
"unable to read Resoruce Section" after reloading divx.dll

can someone who got the divx.dll working please upload a patchinjector or something?

(it´s the same error on every of my 4 pc´s i tried it on..)

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 22:07
I got the one that MeGaBrAin said he got working. He sent it to me email. I am getting the same error with that file....

because somehow reshacker corrupts divx.dll

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 22:46
version of reshacker from MeGaBrAiN does the job just fine...

So you were able to duplicate his success?

UberDuper
16th December 2005, 22:52
I can only guess these those who have successfully modified divx.dll have a different, unpacked version of the dll.

UD.

len0x
16th December 2005, 23:09
actually - reshacker removes version header altogether :)

dvd_maniac
16th December 2005, 23:33
actually - reshacker removes version header altogether

Which in turn causes it "not" to work? do you get the invalid version dialog in AutoGK as well?

len0x
17th December 2005, 00:21
ok new plan:
- get BIEW binary editor
- open divx.dll with it in hex mode
- goto 0008ABCD address (F5) and change(F4) 00 to 07, then update (F2)
- works like a charm :)

bourtzovlakas
17th December 2005, 00:50
Thanks...
Works fine....
I used UltraEdit-32...

len0x
17th December 2005, 00:56
...and we back to the good old days of binary editing :)

bourtzovlakas
17th December 2005, 01:57
One question...
Is it legal to upload the modified .dll?

tipsypenguin
17th December 2005, 03:47
got it to work. I used Hex Workshop.

Thanks Len0x

MediaMage
17th December 2005, 10:35
Changing the Build to 1794 worked here :D

Wonder when we are going back to the good old days of PEEK and POKE :D

bourtzovlakas
17th December 2005, 12:08
I got a problem in an 1-pass encoding, using DivX 6.1...
At the beginning of the pass, i get an error in VirtualDubMod(attached picture)
Here is the logfile...

[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] AutoGK 2.26
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] OS: Win2000 (5.0.2195).2
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Job started.
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Input file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Output file: D:\DivX\Cinderella Man\Cinderella Man_divx.avi
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Output codec: DivX
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Audio 1: English AC3 6ch
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Subtitles: none
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Format: .AVI
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Target quality: 60%
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Standalone support enabled: MTK/Sigma
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Started encoding.
[17/12/2005 1:05:29 μμ] Demuxing and indexing.
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Processing file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Processing file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Processing file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Processing file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Processing file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Processing file: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_6.VOB
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Source resolution: 720x480
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Found NTSC source.
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[17/12/2005 1:11:15 μμ] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[17/12/2005 1:11:16 μμ] Color correction enabled.
[17/12/2005 1:11:16 μμ] Output will contain 198130 frames
[17/12/2005 1:11:16 μμ] Running single pass encoding.
[17/12/2005 1:11:16 μμ] Writing the following script to D:\DivX\Cinderella Man\agk_tmp\Cinderella Man_divx_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\ColorMatrix.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\DivX\Cinderella Man\agk_tmp\Cinderella Man_divx.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 720
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
ColorMatrix("Rec.709->Rec.601",mmx=false,hints=false)
===========================================================
[17/12/2005 1:11:54 μμ] Duration was: 36 seconds
[17/12/2005 1:11:54 μμ] Speed was: 5386,75 fps.
[17/12/2005 1:11:54 μμ] Job finished. Total time: 6 minutes 25 seconds

dvd_maniac
17th December 2005, 15:58
anybody that got 6.1 to work seeing a speed increase? I have been diong some tests and it is always slower then the bundled xvid. I am testing using a dual-core Intel 820.
Does AutoGK use it's own settings that cannot be changed?

bearz
17th December 2005, 16:23
DivX is 2 Minutes faster with much worse results on encoding the source "A Hard Days Night" (Beatles, 83min b/w 16:9) recorded via DVB-S, i cant believe this hype at all!! Xvid takes 2h1min whereas DivX take 1h59min. but AGK 2.26 gives higher resolution (608x352 compared 512x288) to good Xvid and overall much less artefacts!
Whats all this fuss about Divx! Anyway thanks very much for for the HexEditor hint LenOx (Yes, felt a bit like AppleII and C64 again...)!
That worked really good!




cheers

bear

Chumbo
17th December 2005, 17:17
I'm having the same problem as everyone else after the update.

I tried a simple direct conversion from VirtualDubMod using both versions 1.5.4.1 and 1.15.10.1. Both failed to convert using DivX in a 1-pass and multipass test. Looks like even if you get AutoGK running, you won't be able to convert.

My source was a .ts file that was saved using DGIndex as a .d2v project.

Anyone have any luck with VirtualDubMod directly?

Chumbo
17th December 2005, 17:35
Changing the build number to 1794 worked. What I mean by worked, is that AutoGK comes up (whew!) but only in XviD mode which is what I need anyway (no DivX = don't care). The only reason I was attempting to use DivX is to see if the speed/quality improvement are what they claim anyway.

len0x, thanks for a great product in AutoGK. :)

Sibi
18th December 2005, 15:05
Thanks Len0x,

It worked great.

GravuTrad
19th December 2005, 13:05
Thanks len0x. It's work.

Grumpy Troll
19th December 2005, 16:56
OK new plan:
- get BIEW binary editor
- open divx.dll with it in hex mode
- goto 0008ABCD address (F5) and change(F4) 00 to 07, then update (F2)
- works like a charm :)

Many thanks for the suggestion to use BIEW. It worked great, once I figured out how to use it. :confused: After about 2 hours, I'm definitely not comfortable changing things like this, I figured out what you were saying. I did it and it worked like a charm.

Much thanks, Amigo, great post. Just in case I screwed up, I had backed up the original DivX.dll and worked your magic on a copy. Then moved the copy back to win.sys32 folder. My backup resides in a safe place on a disc. It is my "life preserver".

Note: To anyone unfamiliar with using DOS type programs. In Windows XP, copy the DivX.dll to your "C" drive (easy to find). Right click on DivX.dll and then click on "Open with" on the pop-up screen, browse to the editor and click on the blue bordered box to activate the program and take you into DOS prompt, then carefully follow lenOx's instructions above. Remember, make a backup before starting, just in case. On Win XP this program, BIEW editor will always be in the "Open with" screen as an option program afterword.

If an admin sees this and thinks it is confusing, you have my permission to edit or delete this post as you see fit.

Sharktooth
20th December 2005, 02:42
len0x :D
some aptitudes cant and should not be forgotten... :)

Grumpy Troll
20th December 2005, 05:41
anybody that got 6.1 to work seeing a speed increase? I have been diong some tests and it is always slower then the bundled xvid. I am testing using a dual-core Intel 820.

Nope! Nothing spectacular. I tried to back up a video and the video file properties states "video codec XviD". And, I swear, I checked DivX. :confused:

dvd_maniac
20th December 2005, 14:12
I am getting it to show Divx under properties but still NO speed increase... I gave up until someone says they got it working with SMP

Grumpy Troll
20th December 2005, 22:40
Finally got it to working in AutoGK (DivX) and properties show DivX codec. Not bad results but I've seen better. DivX website states this build is for 64 bit hyper threaded chips and/or 64 bit dual core chips with all the latest enhancements not found on 32 bit chips. My understanding is that most everything works faster with these new chips. :D I'll find out in a couple of years when the prices drop to affordable levels. Then the'll come up with something new. Oh well. :rolleyes:

Slitheen
21st December 2005, 17:20
Ok so I've downloaded some kind of BIEW viewer/editor but it's just full of files. There's no exe to start it running?

celtic_druid
21st December 2005, 17:31
Sounds like you downloaded the source.

Slitheen
21st December 2005, 17:42
What do I need to download then?

len0x
21st December 2005, 17:51
this. (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/biew/biew562w.zip?download)

Slitheen
21st December 2005, 17:58
Thanks, Lenox. You're a hero! :)

Slitheen
21st December 2005, 19:06
I think it's beyond me. I don't wat to make a mistake, think I'll just leave it.

Oldfart13
22nd December 2005, 17:07
Sorry, those sites want me to download doubleclick ads to my computer. I have no intention of running Spybot *again* to remove it...

len0x
23rd December 2005, 10:50
I don't see relevance of the above post to the topic...

Glyde62
23rd December 2005, 14:01
Hi,maybe iam dumb but I have tried a few different programs that have been mentioned and cant work out how to modify that dll....Can someone explain more clearly or even email me the modded dll??

maruss
23rd December 2005, 17:29
I used Groovy Hex Editor (http://www.sb-software.com/hexeditor/) and it was
really simple.

Open the program and then open dvix.dll Select the jump box and enter 0008ABCD in the box marked jump offset and hit OK. Edit 00 to 07 (which is highlighted), saved the file and then put dvix.dll back into the system32 folder. I then rebooted and everything worked.

I hope this helps ,it worked great for me and I was having issues working out how to make the Biew editor function

Oldfart13
23rd December 2005, 19:07
Yes, Groovy Hex Editor did the trick BUT the jump offset is actually 0008ABC0 if you put in 0008ABCD, it will go to the other area automatically. The highlighted 00 is then changed to 07 and saved. The computer is rebooted and then AutoGK 2.26 will allow the DivX codec to be selected. Many thanks maruss, you made my day a bit brighter...

Oldfart13
23rd December 2005, 19:11
The relevance to the subject is that you suggested I DL some software that wants to put adware onto my computer before it will let you have the file. Go and download Groovy Hex Editor and you get no "waiting for ad.doubleclick" coming up. I have all those adverts blocked on my comp...

Glyde62
24th December 2005, 04:58
Thanks guuys Finally got it working with your help....... :thanks:

NiteShdw
26th December 2005, 21:06
I don't understand why AutoGK needs to read the version information from the DivX DLL (besides determining DivX 5 from DivX 6). DivX stores the current version in the registry as the default value for:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DivXNetworks\DivX4Windows\State]

The fact that you can edit the DivX.dll and then AutoGK will work, shows that there is nothing wrong with DivX, and it works fine with AutoGK.

I have my own video conversion program that I wrote and it's supported DivX 6 through every upgrade without even needing to change any code, and I'm a sucky VB programmer. I know that len0x is a genious compared to myself.

len0x
28th December 2005, 13:26
Because before version 6.0.3 (which is in fact is 6.0.0.xxxx) I had to check for exact build and hardcode reg key. So check for build was more or less a hack that was easy to do and since I'm no longer developing AutoGK I prefer to spent as less time as possible doing modifications to existing code instead of writing a proper flexible code...

weaver4
28th December 2005, 14:08
I don't mind that AutoGK does not work anymore with the latest DivX codecs, that was his choice not to support it anymore. But, now AutoGK will not work with XviD anymore if you have DivX 6.1 installed on your system. It simply crashes when you start it. It would be nice if simply ignored the DivX if it is not the correct version so we could still use it as our XviD tool. Anyone have a hack for that?

len0x
28th December 2005, 16:16
That wasn't intended and eventually me or divx guys correct it, but in the meantime the only way is to download patched DLL from here (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/autogk.html).

weaver4
28th December 2005, 16:19
That wasn't intended and eventually me or divx guys correct it, but in the meantime the only way is to download patched DLL from here (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/autogk.html).

Thanks!

MaXiMuS
29th December 2005, 00:28
That wasn't intended and eventually me or divx guys correct it, but in the meantime the only way is to download patched DLL from here (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/autogk.html).

THANKS !!! :D

loopyloops
31st December 2005, 00:41
That wasn't intended and eventually me or divx guys correct it, but in the meantime the only way is to download patched DLL from here (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/autogk.html).

Wow, I'm allowed to post :-)

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for the .dll!! That's awesome. Took a reboot to get it to work for me, but now I'm rockin!

Strangely enough, I only had to reboot on one comp...

e268
7th January 2006, 16:23
I am new to AutoGK. BTW, many thanks to len0x.

I am using AGK 2.20 and thinking of upgrading to the latest. So does the dll make it work with divx6.1 or just simply disable divx feature in AGK.

Also, anyone else used divx6.1 can comment on the picture quality as compared to xvid?

TIA.

loopyloops
8th January 2006, 06:23
I am new to AutoGK. BTW, many thanks to len0x.

I am using AGK 2.20 and thinking of upgrading to the latest. So does the dll make it work with divx6.1 or just simply disable divx feature in AGK.

Also, anyone else used divx6.1 can comment on the picture quality as compared to xvid?

TIA.


It a) disables divx and b) makes it so you can actually open AutoGK with Divx 6.1 installed on your system. W/o it, if you have AutoGK and Divx 6.1 installed on your comp., AutoGK will crash when you try to open it.

Someone else will have to answer you pic. quality question.

len0x
8th January 2006, 12:40
It a) disables divx and b) makes it so you can actually open AutoGK with Divx 6.1 installed on your system.

Why answer if you don't know ???
Its totally incorrect - AutoGK fully supports divx 6.1 apart from versioning system of its dll. So provided version fixes not only startup of AutoGK, but allows you to encode with it...

loopyloops
8th January 2006, 18:47
Why answer if you don't know ???
Its totally incorrect - AutoGK fully supports divx 6.1 apart from versioning system of its dll. So provided version fixes not only startup of AutoGK, but allows you to encode with it...

Sorry - thought it didn't and that the .dll provided only enabled you to actually start the program. My bad.

Yeah, seems like it's workin'! Awesome.

And obviously, when I answered, I thought I knew - so no need to get your panties in a bunch.

bourtzovlakas
9th January 2006, 00:26
Hi len0x,
Any news about the problem mentioned here...
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=752775#post752775

I have applied the DivX® 6.1 codec Patch 2 beta, but nothing is changed...

Chaser
9th January 2006, 12:17
Changing the bit worked fine for me.

len0x
9th January 2006, 22:52
Hi len0x,
Any news about the problem mentioned here...
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=752775#post752775

I have applied the DivX® 6.1 codec Patch 2 beta, but nothing is changed...

well, I personally don't have any problems, so it must be system configuration problem...

len0x
9th January 2006, 23:00
And obviously, when I answered, I thought I knew - so no need to get your panties in a bunch.

If you apply a bit of logic then your very certain reply implies that either you tried it yourself and it didn't work or you read somewhere on this forum that it wouldn't. Because niether of that is true it would be much better to express that as your guess/opinion/thought rather than a true statement. If I was not here to correct you - it would mean that people would believe in it...

aNToK
10th January 2006, 02:59
well, after tossing divx 6 for a while and finally deciding to give it another shot, I followed most of the editing examples mentioned previously, but have had some wierd results. As the only binary I know is Carol Danver's character in Marvel comics, I'll put my results here as best I can.

Divx 6.0 codec (with the free upgrade code to divx6 pro) installed with just the codec, divx ekg, and the divx pro upgrade installed (the converter I left out, as I'm trying to get autogk to work and it didn't seem appropriate)

Ran the 6.1 update and the beta 2 patch and got to the "unrecognized divx version" error. Ran Groovy hex editor and jumped to 0008ABC0 to change the highlighted bit to 7, but my highlighted bit read 03 rather than 00. Changed it to 07 and got autogk to work, though it showed as divx 5.0 rather than 6, but no audio.

Uninstalled, rebooted, and reinstalled divx and the 6.1 update. When I open ResHacker to look at the version number, it's showing 6,1,1,1016 (didn't change anything there, just looked at it)

opened the new .dll file in Groovy Hex editor and now have the following string at 0008ABC0:

BD 04 EF FE 00 00 01 00 01 00 06 00 F8 03 01 00

with the beginning 'BD' highlighted. Which of the values do I need to change to 07 to get autogk to recognize and use the divx 6.1 codec and have my audio show up?

Also, is it normal for Divx 6 to read as Divx 5.0 in g-spot?

Any answers or thoughts would be appreciated, thanks!

loopyloops
10th January 2006, 07:08
If you apply a bit of logic then your very certain reply implies that either you tried it yourself and it didn't work or you read somewhere on this forum that it wouldn't. Because niether of that is true it would be much better to express that as your guess/opinion/thought rather than a true statement. If I was not here to correct you - it would mean that people would believe in it...

Actually, both were true. Right after I downloaded the .dll, AutoGK would start and encode with Xvid - not Divx. This was before I upgraded to 6.1 - must have had 6 something. Reading the following validated my thoughts on the subject.

In the future, I'll leave you panties out of it :-)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9669/sp32200601092202358hs.gif (http://imageshack.us)

len0x
10th January 2006, 10:10
if you are not bothered to read and understand the full thread completely then you shouldn't really bother answering in it at all really - you are not making any useful contribution to it. Page 3 contains lots of replies from ppl who managed to encode with divx 6.1 (by modifying dll manually before it was offerred for download) and the fact that someone didn't manage to binary edit it himself says nothing about AutoGK's abilities.

loopyloops
11th January 2006, 16:26
if you are not bothered to read and understand the full thread completely then you shouldn't really bother answering in it at all really - you are not making any useful contribution to it. Page 3 contains lots of replies from ppl who managed to encode with divx 6.1 (by modifying dll manually before it was offerred for download) and the fact that someone didn't manage to binary edit it himself says nothing about AutoGK's abilities.

Oh well, sorry, then that exchange shows a very poor command of the English language. He says he wished there were a hack so he could start AutoGK and have is ignore Divx, ....you tell him he can download the .dll. Then, I go and try it, and it works with with xvid not divx (admitidly, it wasn't 6.1 I was using).

Honest mistake! Let's move on. The relative importance of the subject as a whole as it compares with well, anything - say a hole in my shoe - is so tiny, I can't understand the problem.

Slitheen
11th January 2006, 17:26
Not very impressed with 6.1 quality. Stick to Xvid

loopyloops
12th January 2006, 07:38
Oh well, sorry, then that exchange shows a very poor command of the English language. He says he wished there were a hack so he could start AutoGK and have is ignore Divx, ....you tell him he can download the .dll. Then, I go and try it, and it works with with xvid not divx (admitidly, it wasn't 6.1 I was using).

Honest mistake! Let's move on. The relative importance of the subject as a whole as it compares with well, anything - say a hole in my shoe - is so tiny, I can't understand the problem.

Also, I don't mean to belittle AutoGK in any way, shape or form - it's an awesome program.

I just find the attitude very, very strange. There are nice ways to go about telling someone they're wrong. It's usually a good practice to treat others as fellow humans. If someone is spreading wrong info on purpose, that's one thing - but I doubt that happens much. If someone says something inaccurate, correct them-that's how we learn on these forums - and there are plenty out there that do treat people with respect.

DJ Alik
14th January 2006, 20:20
The latest official build (with patch 2 applied ) is now versioned 6.1.1.1016 so I think this should be resolved now

namchik
15th January 2006, 06:28
DJ Alik
Now there's "03" instead of "00" under "0008ABCD" address. But if replaced to "07" AutoGK starts w/o errors (though i didn't try to encode with this yet)

Here's the divx.dll with changed bytes:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KKXZXX2A

Grumpy Troll
17th January 2006, 05:53
DJ Alik
Now there's "03" instead of "00" under "0008ABCD" address. But if replaced to "07" AutoGK starts w/o errors (though i didn't try to encode with this yet)

Here's the divx.dll with changed bytes:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KKXZXX2A

Thanks for the above info. I had AGK 2.26 working then updated DivX with Beta 2 patch. AGK crashed. Tried editing as before and didn't work for me. I downloaded the above divx.dll and used it to replace "original" .dll then tried AGK again. Works wonderfully. :goodpost:

Again I can understand the frustration with DivX codecs which seem to change faster than a politician during an election. Am trying it out now, so far, so good. :)

barrassm
18th January 2006, 01:39
How much $$$ support do you need to change your mind on supporting the new version of divx 6.1? Throw some realistic figures at us. :D I am sure most of the people who follow AutoGK would support this initiative. :thanks: :thanks:

Grumpy Troll
19th January 2006, 18:54
The latest DivX upgrade (6.1.1.1031) causes the "unsupported codec, will use XviD" to pop up when I try to use AGK 2.26. No big problem as I can still use XviD.

I tried editing the binary in DivX.dll (according to LenOx's instructions) and it took me to a strange place, I changed nothing. I can follow instructions well and am not a programmer or anything resembling one.:scared: Just curious, does anyone have newer instructions on how to get the new DivX working? I have a funny feeling that this will take an expert (such as LenOx) and a complete rewrite. If not will continue using AGK 2.26 for XviD as DivX has its own conversion programs, at last count three, original Dr DivX, the "new" Dr DivX and DivX converter. Somewhat like overkill.

Gees, I'd better quit while I'm ahead. Thanks again LenOx for a great program.

nickolasemp
21st January 2006, 15:16
I downloaded namchik's divx.dll and everything was ok at the first pass. When virtual Dub proceeded to the second pass... it stopped saying that my file was being used by another program! :confused: Here is my log file...:

[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] AutoGK 2.26
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Job started.
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Input file: C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\ladder 49.mpg
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Output file: C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\ladder 49.divx.avi
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Output codec: DivX
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Audio 1: Audio Stream 0 MPEG
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Subtitles: none
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Format: .AVI
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Target size: 746Mb
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Started encoding.
[21/1/2006 2:25:53 μμ] Demuxing and indexing.
[21/1/2006 2:28:32 μμ] Processing file: C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\ladder 49.mpg
[21/1/2006 2:28:32 μμ] Source resolution: 720x576
[21/1/2006 2:28:32 μμ] Found PAL source.
[21/1/2006 2:28:32 μμ] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[21/1/2006 2:28:32 μμ] Color correction enabled.
[21/1/2006 2:28:32 μμ] Analyzing source.
[21/1/2006 2:32:47 μμ] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 0,00
[21/1/2006 2:32:47 μμ] Source is considered to be progressive.
[21/1/2006 2:32:48 μμ] Output will contain 165366 frames
[21/1/2006 2:32:48 μμ] Encoding audio.
[21/1/2006 2:46:28 μμ] Audio1 size: 95,810,832 bytes (91.37 Mb)
[21/1/2006 2:46:28 μμ] Overhead: 10,669,056 bytes (10.17 Mb)
[21/1/2006 2:46:28 μμ] Video size: 675,757,808 bytes (644.45 Mb)
[21/1/2006 2:46:28 μμ] Target bitrate is: 817kbps
[21/1/2006 2:46:28 μμ] Running compressibility test.
[21/1/2006 2:46:28 μμ] Writing the following script to C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\agk_tmp\ladder 49.divx_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\ColorMatrix.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\agk_tmp\ladder 49.divx.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.06666666666667
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
ColorMatrix("Rec.709->Rec.601",mmx=true,hints=false)
SelectRangeEvery(280,14)
===========================================================
[21/1/2006 2:52:17 μμ] Duration was: 5 minutes 46 seconds
[21/1/2006 2:52:17 μμ] Speed was: 23,84 fps.
[21/1/2006 2:52:18 μμ] Compressibility percentage is: 33,96
[21/1/2006 2:52:18 μμ] Using softer resizer.
[21/1/2006 2:52:18 μμ] Chosen resolution is: 592x320 ( AR: 1,85 )
[21/1/2006 2:52:18 μμ] Predicted comptest value is: 51,29%
[21/1/2006 2:52:18 μμ] Running first pass.
[21/1/2006 2:52:18 μμ] Writing the following script to C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\agk_tmp\ladder 49.divx_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\ColorMatrix.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\ProgDVB\Record\ladder 49\agk_tmp\ladder 49.divx.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.06666666666667
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 592
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
BicubicResize(out_width,out_height,0,0.5)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
ColorMatrix("Rec.709->Rec.601",mmx=true,hints=false)
===========================================================
[21/1/2006 4:05:31 μμ] Duration was: 1 hour, 13 minutes 12 seconds
[21/1/2006 4:05:31 μμ] Speed was: 37,65 fps.
[21/1/2006 4:05:32 μμ] Running second pass.
[21/1/2006 4:05:47 μμ] Duration was: 14 seconds
[21/1/2006 4:05:47 μμ] Speed was: 11047,23 fps.
[21/1/2006 4:05:47 μμ] Job finished. Total time: 1 hour, 39 minutes 54 seconds

I found what was wrong. I installed norton -symantec's- antivirus and it just could not proceed to the second pass, because it was checking if the first pass had any viruses. I uninstalled it and now everything works fine with my avg antivirus ...

nayonaise
26th January 2006, 23:39
Hi Grumpy,

For 6.1.1.1031

Change at location: 8B065: From 04 (existing) to 07 (new value)

voila!

Ps In the Future just look for the V.E.R.S.I.O.N _ I.N.F.O info section in the Text part of the HEX editor and this particular byte sits 19 spaces from the O (in info)

Nay

bourtzovlakas
27th January 2006, 00:51
Yes....
It seems to work fine...
:thanks:

Sibi
31st January 2006, 13:56
nayonaise,bourtzovlakas,

Could you please upload the patched .dll for AGK 2.26 to work with 6.1.1.1031.

I've not suceeeded modifying the .dll

Thanks in advance

sisco
31st January 2006, 14:37
Lenox provided this link (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/autogk.html) in an earlier post, worked for me.

e268
31st January 2006, 20:48
Len0x: thanks for earlier clarification of the patch. It works great and thank you for the great program, as it sure beats GK itself without all those steps and complications. It is especially great for occaional users that it is so simple to use.

For those who question the claim of Divx6.1, I applied it and encoded a movie using Divx 6.1 and ended up with a file size of 2.5 GB, whereas using Xvid, the file size was 1.8 GB. Divx was a minute faster, so no significance there. Also, Picture quality seems to be about the same BTW, I use 75% target quality. So I'll stick with Xvid.

len0x
31st January 2006, 21:17
FYI 75% quality of divx5 = 60% quality of divx6 (size-wise), so you can't really compare it directly to xvid either...

fastartcee
1st February 2006, 03:17
I've just started using AGK, with DivX 6.1, and experienced the error message. I found len0x's modified DivX.dll, downloaded it, swapped it with the original dll, and everything's copacetic ...AGK is crunching away happily in background while I type this!

I would just like to express my gratitude to (and awe of) len0x. Giving people like you, len0x, make life a lot easier for those of use struggling through videoland.

So... THANKS A LOT!

Grumpy Troll
1st February 2006, 05:56
Hi Grumpy,

For 6.1.1.1031

Change at location: 8B065: From 04 (existing) to 07 (new value)

voila!

Ps In the Future just look for the V.E.R.S.I.O.N _ I.N.F.O info section in the Text part of the HEX editor and this particular byte sits 19 spaces from the O (in info)

Nay


Hello Nay,

Thanks for the advice, didn't work for me. I tried it for several hours and still got the same error message "Unsupported codec will use Xvid". Sorry it took me so long to answer your helpful :confused: post. As I explained, doing editing using BIEW editor for me is a scary thing as I have no clue as to what I'm doing. I can follow detailed instructions fairly well, but if I can't get it to work, well :confused: I take the problem to an expert, such as LenOx.

Simply put, I can drive the car, clutch or automatic, but if anything goes wrong, I take it to a mechanic. "A man's got to know his limitations!" Dirty Harry

PS I'm glad someone got it to working using your advice. Welcome to the forum.

heman
9th February 2006, 16:48
i have modified the latest version with this divx 6.1.xx problem. i can it upload but i'm not shure if i can without getting in trouble...
tested it succesfully with latest offical version of divx 6.1.1.1031

so here (http://rapidshare.de/files/12883043/AutoGK_divx_issue.rar.html) is

XH42
10th February 2006, 01:04
Thanks, Heman. It appears to work fine for me.

loopyloops
18th February 2006, 08:43
Just had to reinstall windows and am running AutoGK no problem - w/o replacing the .dll.

What did I miss, why would this be? Meaning I have divx 6.1 installed as well...

Madibaman
23rd February 2006, 21:11
Hi LenOx.

A newbie, I didn't get the Resource Hacker thing at all. I am just wondering: Having installed AutoGK version 2.26, and having just read on the website, that this version has "added support for all DivX versions starting with 6.0.3 build 1697 (plain 6.0.0 is no longer supported)" I still get a message box saying "Unsupported version of DivX is found..." when I try to choose DivX in the advanced settings. I am running with newly installed DivX codec version 6.1.1.

And, I realize just now, having not read the whole thread. Think I will just stick with Xvid....

24022006: Having coded a movie using AutoGK, in Xvid mode, still I get a logo in the lower right corner saying "DivX Movie". Why, when I used Xvid codec? Logo dissappears after a while though...

And, subtitles are missing, both in the Xvid movie, and when I use the preview function, even though they do appear by numbers in the choose subtitle panel. What may be wrong? Read somewhere, that it might have to do with angle, but the movie does not have angles...

Best Regards,

Madibaman

seehowyouare
1st March 2006, 23:44
And, I realize just now, having not read the whole thread. Think I will just stick with Xvid....

Sigh,, DivX 6.1 works fine in AutoGk here. You sure you read the thread ?

I get a logo in the lower right corner saying "DivX Movie".
The DivX codec is playing back the avi and the DivX manager thing is auto starting and displaying rhe DivX watermark. Seek and ye shall find the options to disable that and more stuff.

subtitles are missing, both in the Xvid movie, and when I use the preview function, even though they do appear by numbers in the choose subtitle panel. What may be wrong?

I check external subtitles in AutoGK and see if AutoGK is creating the subs

Thx for everything Len0x !! :-)

e268
2nd March 2006, 02:59
The DivX codec is playing back the avi and the DivX manager thing is auto starting and displaying rhe DivX watermark. Seek and ye shall find the options to disable that and more stuff.

Thx for everything Len0x !! :-)

Easier said than done. I tried to seek, but really what am I to seek? If you have a link, I would much appreciate it.

Does using Divx decoder slow things down, or does it take more cpu power? If so, I can just de-install it since I do not use it to encode.

seehowyouare
2nd March 2006, 04:44
Does using Divx decoder slow things down, or does it take more cpu power? If so, I can just de-install it since I do not use it to encode.

You don't use Divx to encode or decode. So why are you posting in the DivX thread ?

MODERATOR !!!

e268
2nd March 2006, 15:40
I responded to the previous poster about the watermark, and that he was told to "seek". My point really is that sometimes "seek" is not easy without knowing what to seek, therefore, a little more help would certainly be appreciated. I do not use Divx, but I tried it, and was left on my pc, therefore, I see the watermark as well. It does not bother me, but just wondering if Divx is faster or slower in decoding a xvid video. I tried to "seek", but did not find any relevant topics, and there are thousands.

I am pretty new to DIVX or Xvid, and got the impression that there is a war between the 2 camps, but I would like to read and understand about these codec. I hope I would not be kicked out by making the wrong comments here.

TAC109
2nd March 2006, 22:07
Hint:- On your machine look at your Divx decode options.

seehowyouare
3rd March 2006, 18:35
Start > Programs > DivX> Decoder Configuration Utility
Playback Tab - and disable "Show DivX logo watermark."

Gee... I really had the grumpy pants on yesterday :o

e268
5th March 2006, 16:49
Thanks. It is under Tool Bar.

Another noob question. How do I get my xvid videos to play with xvid decoder instead of the dvix decoder, without uninstalling it? TIA

seehowyouare
5th March 2006, 18:03
Another noob question.
Here's the perfect place for that question, not this thread :-)
http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Grumpy Troll
14th March 2006, 16:00
No need, thanks to LenOx, for this thread any more. Isn't that wonderful? :thanks: :thanks:

Yippee,
Grumpy

e268
16th March 2006, 03:00
Here's the perfect place for that question, not this thread :-)
http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Thanks. Found my answer there.