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LynxTheCat
3rd December 2005, 06:24
Here we go.. Here's a DIR of the source (bought, ofcourse!)

Directory of G:\VIDEO_TS

01.12.2005 06:09 <DIR> .
01.12.2005 05:40 <DIR> ..
01.12.2005 06:09 18.432 VIDEO_TS.IFO
01.12.2005 06:09 18.432 VIDEO_TS.BUP
01.12.2005 05:40 11.030.528 VIDEO_TS.VOB
01.12.2005 06:09 67.584 VTS_01_0.BUP
01.12.2005 06:09 67.584 VTS_01_0.IFO
01.12.2005 05:40 46.247.936 VTS_01_0.VOB
01.12.2005 05:45 1.073.709.056 VTS_01_1.VOB
01.12.2005 05:50 1.073.709.056 VTS_01_2.VOB
01.12.2005 05:54 1.022.683.136 VTS_01_3.VOB
01.12.2005 06:09 69.632 VTS_02_0.BUP
01.12.2005 06:09 69.632 VTS_02_0.IFO
01.12.2005 05:54 45.645.824 VTS_02_0.VOB
01.12.2005 05:57 1.073.709.056 VTS_02_1.VOB
01.12.2005 06:00 1.073.709.056 VTS_02_2.VOB
01.12.2005 06:04 1.073.709.056 VTS_02_3.VOB
01.12.2005 06:04 122.912.768 VTS_02_4.VOB
01.12.2005 06:09 18.432 VTS_03_0.BUP
01.12.2005 06:09 18.432 VTS_03_0.IFO
01.12.2005 06:04 38.912 VTS_03_0.VOB
01.12.2005 06:05 252.727.296 VTS_03_1.VOB
01.12.2005 06:09 24.576 VTS_04_0.BUP
01.12.2005 06:09 24.576 VTS_04_0.IFO
01.12.2005 06:05 38.912 VTS_04_0.VOB
01.12.2005 06:09 755.957.760 VTS_04_1.VOB
24 File(s) 7.626.225.664 bytes
2 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

So what is main? VTS_01 or VTS_02? When using Big3/Scenarist NT, the apps
show me VTS_01 and VTS_02 has exactly the same MPEG2-stream, only different
audio-tracks and subs.

As you can see from the DIR, the source is a DVD9, but the movie is only 1 hr long!!

Why did the manufacturers of the disc not create only one VTS-set when the
total number of audio-streams in the two VTS's are nine, and there is only a total
of twelve substreams in the two VTS'es?

Here's the question: can I remove one of the VTS'es after demuxing the audio
and sub-streams, for then then muxing it into the remaining VTS later?

Cause then there would be no need for re-encoding. (..ooopps.. My calc tells
me otherwise...)

Try doing Big3 on a P4 1.6 with 640Megs of RAM! It takes time, those passes..

All help appreciated! ...and please, BE technical, so I can understand..

//Lynx

mpucoder
3rd December 2005, 14:44
Why did the manufacturers of the disc not create only one VTS-set when the
total number of audio-streams in the two VTS's are nine, and there is only a total
of twelve substreams in the two VTS'es?
Most likely because the total bitrate was too high, and the producer did not want to lower the video bitrate. One VTS likely contains DTS or LPCM audio.

Zeul
3rd December 2005, 18:23
If the video is the same in both vts's, choose the vts that contains the audio & subs that you require. In this particular case i would use vobblanker to remove the vts that isn't needed.
The concept of the big3 is too keep the disc as is, however, your situation is unique, and there is no point in keeping both vts.

LynxTheCat
4th December 2005, 08:35
Infact, I went over to Big3 NEW+ScenAid for the backup instead.

When the encoindg is finito, I'll pass the script-files, to see if I can get some
additional info then..

Thx for replying - at A.D I haven't got a single reply yet - and I wrote in their forum
before I wrote in this.. :-P

Stick up your good work - your guides are great, easy to understand, and a MUST for
anyone deciding to move frome the 'one-clicker' DVDrebuilder to Big3 to have some
more control over the process! :-D

Regards,
//Lynx

influenza
4th December 2005, 13:41
Mpucoder is more than likely right (isn't he usually? :D). I would also sacrifice one of the vtses, because I cannot imagine that keeping both will result in very good quality. On the other side: it's only 1 hour of video. You could go all the way and completely reauthor it. Put the video into two pgcs with different audio layout (if you want that at all), would require adjusting the menu etc, but if you have some time to spare....

edit: and keep in mind the max bitrate for the video of course ;)