Why some stand-alones won't play homemade DVD

[mpucoder]

After going around in circles with this for 2 days with three different burner programs I finally figured out why some would work, and others didn't.
I have a Sony DVD player, but this is probably true of others:
The VIDEO_TS folder must be uppercase letters only!
Otherwise the player cannot find the folder!
In Windows it is very difficult to see this under normal circumstances because of case conversion in explorer. To overcome that edit the options to "allow all uppercase names" (Win98 and later)

[valentin2001]

Well... What do you mean by "In Windows it is very difficult to see this under normal circumstances because of case conversion in explorer" ? I have problems reading my home backup DVDs on my standalone player, but the folders are uppercase letters only, I'm sure. What is this windows option ? (I'm working on windows 2000 Pro SP2).

Thanks.

[mpucoder]

This is an option in Windows Explorer which allows you to see the folder and file names as they appear in the directory, rather than in "pretty" case. It's in the "View -> Folder Options -> View".
If you're not sure about the folder being in uppercase only, just rename it using Caps-Lock or holding down the shift key all the way.

[valentin2001]

All right. I'll try to type myself the folder's name. Thanks for the answer.

[Jannic]

Hi mpucoder,

i have a Sony DV-P725S and it´s a real good Player, but just for original DVDs and CDs. DVD-5 ripped Movies playing fine, all other don´t, and all VIDEO_TS folders written like that.
It can´t be the reason, the only disc which plays is that one i made with SpruceUp, but i don´t have the programm anymore.

Jannic :(

[mpucoder]

There are many reasons why a DVD won't play in a stand-alone, this is just one. But this is one reason why they won't play in stand-alone when they WILL play in a computer. Have you tried your rips using a software player?
Also, in this forum, you will find a description of a procedure to correct the thousands of pointers that change when features are discarded, soundtracks removed, or video bitrate is lowered. Look at the sticky thread.

[Jannic]

i grap Star Trek Voyager from german Pay-TV and put 4 Movies on one DVD, authored with DVD Wise. The DVDs playing fine on my PC everything works - but just on the Computer with WinDVD or PowerDVD.
My Grundig DVD Standalone plays everything DVD-R, SVCD, XVCD but the Sony doesn´t.

Jannic

P.S I try the ifo_edit way with Shrek at this time, i hope it works :rolleyes:

[fiv5]

This still doesnt work in my standalone :( , the burnt dvd (shrek, re-mpeged, ran thru ifoedit as per instructions), plays of HD perfectly in powerdvd, will not burn with primodvd, burn it with nero (UDF/ISO, VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS) the reulsting dvd-r plays flawlessley on my pc dvd-rom, powerdvd picks it up and autoplays. In my standlone it just wont play :(. My standalone plays dvd-5 backups i have made without a hitch, so i know if plays dvd-r media.

Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated :)

fiv5

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by fiv5
This still doesnt work in my standalone :( , the burnt dvd (shrek, re-mpeged, ran thru ifoedit as per instructions), plays of HD perfectly in powerdvd, will not burn with primodvd, burn it with nero (UDF/ISO, VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS) the reulsting dvd-r plays flawlessley on my pc dvd-rom, powerdvd picks it up and autoplays. In my standlone it just wont play :(. My standalone plays dvd-5 backups i have made without a hitch, so i know if plays dvd-r media.
Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated :)
fiv5

Hi,

yes folks, that's it. I highly appreciate PrimoDVD !!!
This is THE validation tool. Everything burned using PrimoDVD runs on the standalone so far. I you ifoedit a DVD copy and PrimoDVD won't accept it afterwards keep trying different approaches till it DOES. Forced burn with NERO will most likely not be accepted by a standalone.
PrimoDVD does a thorough evaluation of your IFO structure and finds a lot (possible) reasons for coasters.

See it as a positiv function !

mike

[ladicek]

OK, i have HP DVD writter 100i (DVD+RW).

I was burned many ripped (with Smartripper) DVD (with Nero, PrassiPrimoDVD 2.0) from HDD.
All are readable in PC DVD-ROM and nothing in standalone DVD Player (supported in the list of DVD+RW alliance).
The folders video_ts, audio_ts and all files are uppercase.

i have tried media from HP, VERBATIM and PHILIPS.

Do you know where is the problem?

thank you

[Jannic]

a DVD for a standalone player must be written in UDF 1.02.
Seen on www.osta.org


Jannic

[ladicek]

@jannic:
OK, and which burn program (+version) supported UDF 1.02 ?

thanks

[Jannic]

Hi,

InstantCD/DVD from VOB, shipped in Germany with Pioneer DVD Burner


Jannic

[SuckerDJ]

I have a Ricoh DVD+RW-Burner for two weeks now, and authoring DVDs for my Philips-957-Standalone-Player made me crazy - until I realized, that Nero simply can't burn DVDs properly.

I think the Philips-Player is very rigorous when it comes to standards and refuses ANY burned DVD with ANY variation from the needed formats.

So far, to burn DVDs that run in this standalone and every other player that accepts DVD+RW, you can use these two programs:

- Ulead DVDFactory
- Prassi PrimoDVD
NOTE: Download the Update from www.prassieurope.com for DVD+RW-Compatibility!)

I really don't know what's wrong writh all the other authoring/burning-progs, but DVDFactory and PrimoDVD does the job

[ladicek]

@suckerDJ;

I have Prassi Primo DVD 2.0.749.
In www.prassieurope.com i found only "Px Engine Update" for update Prassi Primo DVD.
Do you think this?

[mpucoder]

You can also use RecordNow Max, from Veritas (39 USD online from Stomp Inc (http://www.stompinc.com)). It works properly, little wonder, though, since Veritas and PrassiEurope are the same company.

[ladicek]

@mpucoder:
Do you have any link to RecordMax?
I use also Nero (5.5.5.6) and burned DVD-video isn't readable on standalone.

j.hrubec@email.cz

thanks

[mpucoder]

As you can see, I editted the last post. I had to withdraw my recommendation of Nero, since I hadn't burned a good DVD with it (failing memory). After installing the latest trial version, it said my trial period was over - so I'll never know. Oh, well.
RecordNow comes with the HP DVD 100i, and you can upgrade to RecordNow Max for 19 USD by clicking on the "Want More?" button. The 39 USD price is for the full version - see the link above, or search the Veritas (http://www.veritas.com) site for a reseller in your region.

[mpucoder]

Well, here it is November 8th :D and Nero has given me until the 30th to try it out, so I'm burning a DVD from the same folder that Veritas used succesfully. udf/iso, level 1, strict, no Joliet. I should know in an hour.

[ladicek]

I know, RecordNow comes with HP DVD 100i. But i have only Writter, without SW, guarantee, etc. So i ask for you, if you know any link to download this SW.
I tried Nero (5556), PrassiDVD (2.0.749) and burned DVD isn't readable on standalones.
So that RecordMax is my last chance.

thanks

[mpucoder]

I cannot give you a direct link because of the way Veritas set up their website, but you can go to http://www.veritas.com, search for "recordnow", click on the first result, and then the link for buying.

BUT Veritas and PrassiEurope are the same, if you're not able to use PrimoDVD, then something else is wrong. DVD's must be PERFECT to work in a stand-alone. Have you tried ripping a short DVD (encrypted or not, makes no difference as long as you use SmartRipper) and burning it (making sure the folder is uppercase VIDEO_TS)? If that works then the problem is not the burning software.

[ladicek]

I don't know, where is the problem.
I was ripped with SmartRipper (backup all files from DVD) and burned it (folders and files are all uppercase).
I tried various setting of burning programs (iso,udf,joliet,.. and their combination)- and nothing.

In PC DVD-ROM are burned DVD readable, but in standalones aren't.

[valentin2001]

Maybe you should try to backup another DVD. I also had the same issue with the first I tried to burn : a concert (no zone), short enough (no rempeg process...). I wasn't able to burn something I could read on my standalone player.

I tried another one (a short Disney animation, zone problem, but still no need to rempeg), with exactly the same method, and it plays flawlessly on my standalone...

[ladicek]

I tried about 3 different DVD title (short DVD, no re-mpeg).

Have anybody other idea?

[SuckerDJ]

Originally posted by ladicek
@suckerDJ;

I have Prassi Primo DVD 2.0.749.
In www.prassieurope.com i found only "Px Engine Update" for update Prassi Primo DVD.
Do you think this?

Yes. Primo recognizes DVD+RW Burner ONLY after the Px Engine Update.
And btw: It shows 1x speed for writing but writes in fact with 2,4x

[ladicek]

OK, i try burn it with this update. Maybe will the burn DVD readeble on standalones, maybe again not.

[mpucoder]

Sucker is right - I finished burning a DVD+RW with Nero 5.5.5.1, and my player (Sony DVP-NS400D) reported "defective media C1300" So I erased it with RecordNow and tried again - same thing. Played fine with PowerDVD. RecordNow Max also reported a low level format error when trying to make an image. So, just to make sure the disk was OK, I erased and burned with RecordNow Max, and it's OK.
Conclusion - the Nero / HP DVD 100i combination doesn't work for stand-alones.

[ladicek]

OK,
have anybody link to RecordNow max on warez sites?

j.hrubec@email.cz

thank you for your tip.

[pacman]

C if your players up to it:
http://www.vcdhelp.com/dvdlist/dvdplayers.html

Regards
Pacy:)

[Commander XJL]

Why do so many home made dvd's play ok with powerdvd but then won't play right in a standalone? I guess using powerdvd to "check" our dvd's ain't worth shit of an idea:mad: :mad:

[pacman]

Not had any progs with PowerDVD XP or WinDVD Here m8...
As i use them both to check my projects.

If u study the IFO (with Ifo-Edit) created from whatever program u used this does give a clue to whats happening. As i found out to my cost.

I created a DVD-R using Q Builder, straight VOB import to HD and when i opened the IFO i c there was only a 4.50min playing point?...
This was also proved by Power+WinDVD.I tried several times to correct this, but 2 no avail.

This is why i am using my method with 4 Tools.
1 Smart or DVDDecyter
2 DVD2AVI
3 TMPEG (With Mpeg Joining Tools if Needed)(+My Templates)
4 Uleads MovieFactory (Brill And Easy For Chapter/Title/Multi-Films)
Save as An Image.iso or VIDEO_TS/AUDIO_TS Folders or BURN the B***!!!

Easy as 1.2.3 (+4)lol

Regards
Pacman:)

[mpucoder]

Well, no one said playing on PowerDVD or WinDVD was proof it would work on a stand-alone. But, if it looks like crap on a software player, it will also look like crap on a stand-alone. So, use the software players to check the quality of the compression, and basic navigation.

As to why it can still fail on a stand-alone - they are not computers. A PC uses the file system (either iso or udf) to find the files, and the file order on the media does not matter (if it did, you wouldn't be able to play from your HD). None of the relative sector pointers are used to find the various files, so they can be wrong and still play on a PC.
Stand-alones use the udf file system to find the first file only, after that everything is done by relative pointers, so file order, and correct pointers, matters.

[mpeg]

Spruce.DVDPremasterTool.v2.9.2914c.WinNT2k.SSG.rar
It can make image/dvd-r work on stand-alone dvd player.

[pekes]

DVDMaestro 2.9.2913 also can make an image file, it's cool program. If you don't know where to download, contact me at pekes@atlas.cz.

[shindsh]

I tried Nero and other demo burning software, including RecordNow which comes with HP200i bundled.
The only software which burnt a DVD+RW that could play on my standalone DVD Player - Toshiba SD9200, was RecordNow Max 4.0 (not RecordNow bundled with HP200i).

After burning, since +RW falls under Disc compatibility 2 for a Toshiba SD9200, you have to alter the Compatibity bits by the HP Software. You can check your compatability at dvdplusrw.org.

I have not tried a DVD+R with HP200i, which should work right away. But there are many reported problems for DVD+R in dvdplusrw.org regarding all those who upgraded their HP200i firmware from 1.06 to 1.27, but this is a different subject.

Regards,
Shree

[ulfschack]

I author in Maestro, burn in Nero 5.5.7.8 (UDF) with a Pioneer A03. Never missed on my Philips 622, a RAITE, one Noname cheap player and finally on a pioneer 333. So there. Nero Stays!

cheers :)

[shindsh]

Burned a DVD+R on HP200i, using RecordNow Max 4.0 which worked with the Toshiba SD-9200 (without setting compatibility bit settings as it only for DVD+RW).
This is with HP200i with the new firmware 1.27. So I do not know why all the other folks (in dvdplusrw.org) are having problem with the new firmware and DVD+R.

Regards,
Shree

[shindsh]

Oops, I hit the Submit button too soon....sorry for posting twice in a row..
Regarding the Nero topic, below is the thread in dvdplusrw.org that talks about issues after upgrading the HP200i firmware to 1.27. The thread bounces in different directions because its 7 pages long, but this particular start point should have the issues with Nero details bugfixes.
http://www.dvdplusrw.org/cgi/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=2073&start=60

I do not have a full version of Nero (only demo) so my opinion doesn't count (apart from the fact that I am a newbie :) ). In the above url, they talk about the possibility that Nero 5.5.9.0 may have issues when the firmware is 1.27. If you dont have any issues with Nero, then ignore this, as you are fine with your current settings.

Regards,
Shree

[Tatjahna]

I have used Nero 5.5.8.0 to burn my compiled dvd with Maestro without success.. Wrong type of project probably, I have followed a guide from vcdhelp.com.

And anyway, Nero isn't able to set the DVD-R burning to 2X as my burner can do.

I now use GEAR Pro DVD 6.0, set it to DVD-Video and all works fine! :D This program is simply too cool and too easy to not use it :)

I never loved Nero with CD burning, and now I simply hate him with DVD burning. I'm not surprised so far you know. :sly:

[ulfschack]

It doesn't set the speed to 2x unless it's sure the crap DVD-Rs can handle it. Ever try Nero with expensive Verbatims? This is how it works on my system anyways. $$$ = x2 , cheap or DVD-RW = x1.

cheers

[Tatjahna]

You are right, I use generic dvd-r for now... here a verbatim is at 10$ US ( 15$ CAN ) plus taxes. :mad: So I cannot afford Verbatims for now.

But I never loved a program that "decide" for me what to do and what not do. Why not a simple messagebox to warn us.. I'f I'm stupid, it's my problem, not their! :)

Anyway, even with cd-rs I never had success with this program. I am conviced that it's a good products since lots of people like it, but I think I'm other the other side of the ramp! Roxio's Easy Cd Creator always gave me a successfully burnt cd. They don't support DVD-Video burning (only Data) for now, but I'm sure it will come soon !