Problem with DVD RB encoder Quenc

[watersev]

Please help to achieve success with DVD9 to DVD5 convertion. I use DVD Rebuilder 0.94, encoder Quenc. Everything looks OK on computer but when trying to burn DVD5, the stand alone DVD player shows black and colored cubes, sound is OK. Burning software: Nero 6.1.3.18 bundled, DVD writer DVD-RW ND3540A. Any suggestions what is the prob and how to resolve? Many thanks. Eugene

[Rockas]

You are not giving us enough info about your problem :(
Have you tried to upgrade to Rebuilder Freeware 0.96?
How did you install Rebuilder? Used the Installer? If you didn't... do it :)
Then... if the problem remains... post an image of the result.

[jptheripper]

also does it play okay on the computer? if so it is likely bad media/bad burn

[jdobbs]

Try outputting to an ISO with DVD Rebuilder and burning with ImgBurn... You say it plays ok on the computer but not on the disc -- and the only thing between the two is the burning software/process...

[Rockas]

Ups... sorry... I didn't read the part where "Everything looks OK on computer" completly makes me answer as stupid as me :D

[feedback]

Download ImgBurn from Here. (http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=screenshots) It is a great and free burning application.

Also, as jptheripper indicated you may want to try a different type of media or DVD disk.

Regards,:)

[feedback]

Try outputting to an ISO with DVD Rebuilder and burning with ImgBurn... You say it plays ok on the computer but not on the disc -- and the only thing between the two is the burning software/process...
I just noticed he is using .94 freeware, does RB .96 freeware now have the ISO output option?

Regards,:)

P.S. I have been using DVD Rebuilder Pro. for so long I don't remember what functions the free version has or doesn't have.

[jdobbs]

No. My mistake... I didn't notice he was using the freeware version.

[Harrysmiith]

If the freeware version does not ouput to ISO then I would use DVDdecrypter or shrink to create the ISO and then burn. I don't know why but my feeling is that burning with an ISO gives better results ( lower PIE and PIF ) then using NERO to burn from files. In the long run just buying the Pro version of DVD Rebuilder would be worth it just for the ISO option alone.

[jdobbs]

I've found that some of the high-end burning tools have a tendency to try to "outsmart" the software that created the VIDEO_TS folder (sometimes resulting in errors)... when you create an ISO directly and burn it, it just seems to be a lot more trouble free.

I don't think DVD Decrypter will create an ISO from a folder, though. I wonder if that may be something Lightning UK might consider adding to ImgBurn?

[watersev]

Bunch of thanks for reply. Use disc Verbatim and TDK. Tried on different stand alones with rather different results: nothing visible on one and visible but with atrefacts on the other (newer). Will try all suggestions and revert with results. Regards.

[Harrysmiith]

I don't think DVD Decrypter will create an ISO from a folder, though. I wonder if that may be something Lightning UK might consider adding to ImgBurn?


Sorry - my mistake. I had forgotten that when I use DVD Decrypter to make an ISO it is from a DVD or using Daemon. Yes it would be a good if Lightning UK could add this to ImgBurn.

In the meantime then I would use Shrink to make an ISO from the Video_TS folder and burn.

I once asked Lightning UK why burning with an ISO and DVD Decrypter gave me better results ( defining better as better CD/DVD Speed scores) and he modestly replied that there was no reason why it should give a better burn.
Although I have to accept this - after all he wrote the program - I know that burning an ISO with DVD Decrpyter/ImgBurn and Taiyo Yuden gives me 99% quality scores most of the time with the occassional "poor" 98% and the rare "coaster" 97% :D .

Having gone to all the trouble to make a back up the last thing I want is to find that it fails in 6 months or so

[jdobbs]

It isn't really "better" -- but the ISO has all the sector positioning and pointers already applied. Burning from a VIDEO_TS directory leaves some of those things to the burning software -- and it sometimes changes some things that were there purposefully. Good examples are when they change pointers in the IFO files or flag warnings for zero length files.... Authoring software sets the IFOs the way they are for a reason -- and the burning software should leave it alone...

[feedback]

It isn't really "better" -- but the ISO has all the sector positioning and pointers already applied. Burning from a VIDEO_TS directory leaves some of those things to the burning software -- and it sometimes changes some things that were there purposefully. Good examples are when they change pointers in the IFO files or flag warnings for zero length files.... Authoring software sets the IFOs the way they are for a reason -- and the burning software should leave it alone...
So, would burning an ISO be considered truer or more faithful to the original in the ISO burning process?

Regards,:)

[Rockas]

Well... let's just say that an image (ISO = Image File) is worth a thousand words :D.

ps. I always use a mounted image of the Original... and I always burn an ISO file... never got any severe troubles... (the only problems I had with Rebuilder since the first time I start using it... were always with subtitles streams :))

[dragongodz]

also try not burning at full speed. that is you burner and the dvds may say x8 for example but that doesnt mean every player is going to like them burnt at that speed. so try a slower speed and see if they play better. i do this always and dont have any problems.

also heres an interesting true story. a mate of mine ,quite some time ago, created isos(with dvdshrink) and was burning them with nero. his cheap dvd player played them fine, however his panasonic would occasionally skip and have playback problems. i told him to burn the iso with dvddecrypter instead. problem solved. he burnt a bunch of isos with nero and then dvddecrypter, same isos, with dvdr's from the same spindle and all the nero burns displayed the problems while none of the dvddecrypter burns did. anyone care to explain THAT ? :eek:

[jdobbs]

It isn't really "better" -- but the ISO has all the sector positioning and pointers already applied. Burning from a VIDEO_TS directory leaves some of those things to the burning software -- and it sometimes changes some things that were there purposefully. Good examples are when they change pointers in the IFO files or flag warnings for zero length files.... Authoring software sets the IFOs the way they are for a reason -- and the burning software should leave it alone... Exactly my point.

[Harrysmiith]

all the nero burns displayed the problems while none of the dvddecrypter burns did. anyone care to explain THAT ? :eek:


also try not burning at full speed.




DVDdecrypter giving better burns has been my experience as well so I always use ISO and no I can't explain .

The point about speed I don't think is so clear. Using DVD Speed to check quality it is often the case ( BenQ1620 + Yuden000T02) that rated speed (8X) or slightly higher speed (12X) gives better scans than (4X) or (2.4X)

With the tools available today producing a coaster or movie with problems should be a rare event. Producing one that is certain to last for years is not always so easy

[watersev]

Please guys one more question for you. I have downloaded and installed DVD-RB 0.96 freeware (as suggested above). When I configure Quenc encoder for usage I put "DVD" in MPEG-2 Mux Profile and press Apply. But when Rebuilder starts encoding and I go inside Advanced options of Quenc it says "No audio". Can that cause any probs? Any ways to get right ("DVD"). I hope it is not too much silly?

[jdobbs]

No. QuEnc is only used to encode the video... also it sets the options needed to encode properly as a part of the command line. Any options you set within QuEnc will be overridden.

[dragongodz]

The point about speed I don't think is so clear. Using DVD Speed to check quality it is often the case ( BenQ1620 + Yuden000T02) that rated speed (8X) or slightly higher speed (12X) gives better scans than (4X) or (2.4X)
if you are getting good results with high speed burns then thats good. however if dvds start playing up on a player then it is definatly worth trying to burn at a lower speed. there have been plenty of cases on this forum in the past where people have burnt slower when they have had problems and got better playback. of course using good media is also always reccomended but since watersev already said he uses verbatim and tdk that shouldnt be a problem.

[watersev]

Hi there,guys. Downloaded and installed DVD-RB 0.96 (clicked exe file). Wrote files to HD with DVD Dceryptor 3.5.4.0. Used DVD-RB Quenc for encoding. To create disc image used IfoEdit 0971. Burned with DVD Dceryptor. Result: OK on computer from HD and DVD, same colored cube picture on stand alone dvd player. Burner used NEC 3540 (brand new, made copies of pirated discs with no problems at all). This time used Verbatim DVD-RW (spoiled many DVDs before). Any thoughts of the reason? I have no idea what is the probm. Best regards. Eugene