Old AutoRV10 discussion (closed) [Archive]

Dark-Cracker

20th July 2002, 21:27

@ All beta tester
Hi could u try to make some test with this beta version (scroll up 1 msg for the url ) ?

in this beta version there some new feature like the possibility to encode separately the endcredits (using the quality mode at 30%) and the possibility to split the final file to 650/700/ or 800 MB i have add in this beta the possibility to split after 10/20 or 30 MB in order to make some test on the split without encode a full movie.

could u try to make some advanced test on these 2 function (split and endcredits) try this :

encode in :

1 pass :
--------
without audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

with 1 audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

2 pass (both) :
---------------
without audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

with 1 audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

try to make one (or all :) ) of these test and post the result (with the most informations possible : lenght, totalfilesize, desiredfinalfile, splitfilesize, part1filesize,part2filesize, audio mode & bitrate used...etc...)

thank uvery much if all these tests are succeded i will add the support of the 2 audio stream, the subtitles and the .smil creation (and perhaps the authoring of an interactive menu).

PS:
think to post a msg with the result of your test .

if u have an error the besweet log are in c:\AutoRV9_Stream1.log the producer.log file is in the root of the producer directory and the join/split log is in c:\AutoRV9_Split.log

PS2 : i seems to me rmeditor have a bug ; he can't split some file with the audio preview codec for the audio stream, to solve this problem overwritte the rmeditor\codec directory with the producer\codec directory, now rmedit can open some .rmvb file with the r8-preview codec.

PS3 : if u encode the endcredits separately think to check the " Adjust bitrate after endcredits" this will increase the bitrate after the encoding of the credits part to obtain the desired filesize.

@razorblade :
i have send u a PM , i wait your answer :) thank u .

Bye.
i wait the result of the tests.

hurts70

21st July 2002, 10:27

dvd's subtitle?

can i use autorv9 to encode it?

MaXiMuS

21st July 2002, 11:03

1) select the Producer,RMeditor, and Besweet path (button in the first tab)

what is RMeditor ? & where to find it ?

thx

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 11:04

Does anyone know howto convert srt files to real text format???
Using Radlight subtitle studio DOESN'T work!!! (He uses time coordinates while he should use frames)...

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 11:05

It's in your real producer directory (subfolder "RealMediaEditor")

Originally posted by MaXiMuS

what is RMeditor ? & where to find it ?

thx

Dark-Cracker

21st July 2002, 12:13

@ hurts70
no wait the next version for the support of the subtitles.

@Razorblade2000
use the tool " subtitle workshop" www.deksoft.cjb.net this is a good software.
it seems to me u can use too the .smi file in the .smil file try and say me.

PS: does someone have do some tests ?

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 12:21

Southpark (An episode not the movie; captured with PowerVCR in MPEG2; demultiplexed .mpa audio and made .d2v with dvd2avi)
1 Pass (Using the 2dcleaner anime filter)->a little bit more expanation would be nice
1 Audio stream
No endcredits
No split
Audio: Stereo 44100bps
Video: rv9 527900bps
Desired filesize: 75MB

PROBLEM:
1. DVD2AVI said there would be a 258ms delay, I put this value in your delay textbox and the result was VERY out of sync
2. I ignored the delay -> out of sync (the 258 ms)

-> I could make a wav file using the headac3he delay option, but somehow your gui doesn't support direct .wav input (It is nice that autorv9 can decode ac3, mpa... but I personally would like to have this job done by headac3he, because of better 2 pass normalizing/boosting/downmixing)

Futurama (An episode too)

Same settings as Southpark
No delay

PROBLEM:
OUT OF SYNC!!!!

Possible solution for both problems?:
Maximum Framerate was set to 25...this may be nice for PAL movies, but when NTSC is selected you should have a value of 30. (DAMN POWERVCR!!! I can't make a new profile, so I have to take the 29,97 framerate

Another problem:
Resizing!
I captured these episodes in 640x480. Using your app, I can't keep my original resolution so my results don't fill the whole monitor

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 13:23

...I just recognized that there is an option called Maximum framerate...
I'll give it a try
:rolleyes:

Dark-Cracker

21st July 2002, 13:39

hi,

try without the 2d Cleaner to be sure this is not this filter who desynth the audio.

PS: the max Framerate must be your framerate ( 25 for a pal source and 30 for an NTSC source) i suppose it for that the audio is out of synchro.

PS: u can too low the latency to 4 if you have still a problem with the audio.

PS2: do u have test the end-credits and the split option ?

bye

MaXiMuS

21st July 2002, 15:59

thanks for reply Razorblade2000

yeah i am dumb+blind :D :D :D

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 19:02

I already tested the endcredit option, worked fine!
(I am using your tool at the moment to compress Fightclub, already have compressed 1 hour (analyse pass coplete))

u can use too the .smi file in the .smil file
What? Sorry, I don't understand...:confused:

Using this tool I also can't make any subtitles that work... (Maybe I'm doing sth wrong...)

31 Flavas

21st July 2002, 19:26

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
Does anyone know howto convert srt files to real text format???
Using Radlight subtitle studio DOESN'T work!!! (He uses time coordinates while he should use frames)... @ Razor2k

Hm... Subtitle Studio does work, but you have to make a few modifications to the output file. Here is what I do.

After I do the post OCR quote and l to I changes in SubRip, I back (all) the subitles up .45 seconds to bring them into better sync. After that I open up Subtitle Studio 2.0 and it does the converstion from Subrip to RealTime (RealText) format.

These subitles won't work in RealPlayer by default, though.

You must to overwite:

<Window
Width = "640"
Height = "480"
WordWrap = "true"
Loop = "true"
>With this:<Window duration="0:23:59.00" Width="448" height="50" WordWrap="true" bgcolor="black">

<center>
You can dick around with all the values to suit your taste, but of course, the ones you must change (for your video) are duration and width. Duration does not have to be exact. Just make sure it is close enough.

You can further edit these subtitles if you want. You can use multiple colors and enlarge specific if you want. Just stick a around the text.

Do you know what you need in the .smil file? I had to make a few moidifications here too.

31 Flavas

21st July 2002, 19:51

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
PROBLEM:
OUT OF SYNC!!!!Have you fixed the audio sync problem? DVD2AVI does tell me there is a delay also, but I just do not put the delay in and everything is all synced up.

I am dealing with DVD data though, not self recorded stuff.

The resizing definatly does need to be fixed, but hey, this is his 1.0. Give him some time :)

-flavas

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 20:09

I don't know... I am still compressing Fightclub
I'll test it tomorrow

P.S. actually it is 1.1 beta...

P.P.S.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:
DON'T CALL ME RAZOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angry:
PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!!:scared:

31 Flavas

21st July 2002, 20:29

Hey, I called you razor2k. not razor! Get a shorter nick if you don't want to be abreviated!!!!!!!!!!!

would blade2k be better? i'm not typing out your whole nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!! too long and i'm too lazy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Razorblade2000

22nd July 2002, 12:39

:D call me RB2K :D That is all right!!!

BTW:
Fightclub gave me an 614 MB video file (2Pass), including the 2 audio streams and the subtitles (thank you 31 Flavas) I've got a nice 700MB bunch of bytes!!!:)

P.S. 31 Flavas, what did you chane in the smil (For me, my smil works perfect... but maybe it could get better?)

31 Flavas

23rd July 2002, 05:22

Well, I got the source for my .smil from a post in this forum. It was for movies though, not a 4:3 anime, so it added space above the 16:9 picture to center the movie when playing it in full screen mode.

I had to hack it up and figure out what changed what (basicly how it worked) so that I could modifiy it work for my 4:3 anime.

If your .smil file centers the video and positions the subtitles correctly, you don't need to do anything further with it.

-flavas

Dark-Cracker

25th July 2002, 04:32

hi,

AUTORV9 1.1 is out Changelog :

- Add an Auto-Crop function.
- Add an "Smart Crop All" function.
- Encode the end-credits separately (Quality 30%).
- possibitity to adjust the bitrate after the end-credits.
- Possibility to split the file after 650/700 or 800 Mo
- possibility to change the Encode Process Priority.
(Thanks to dannidin)
- Display the .Ac3 file informations.
(using the CyberDemonII genericmm.dll file).
- u can ID3Tag your movie
*and Fixed some little bugs*

HERE : www.dark-angel.does.it

my tool work fine with the Producer Preview 9.0 the Helix CLI version don't close at the end of the process, to enjoy my tool use the REALPRODUCER PREVIEW VERSION , i am working on a light package of the Producer9 with the PReview Version and the Helix Codec.

U must have the rmeditor tool if u want split and join (this tool is in the preview package) (it seems there is a bug with the rmedit, there are not the Audio-rv8-preview codec and sometimes it don't want open a .rmvb file, to solve this problem simply copy the folder ....producer\codec\ in ...realmediaeditor\codec\ )

i have make a lot of tests with this version but if u have still a problem , u can find the error with the .log file.

Besweet Log file : c:\AutoRV9_Stream1.log
Real Producer log : Realproducer directory\producer.log
Rmeditor - Join log : C:\AutoRV9_Join.log
Rmeditor - Split log : C:\AutoRV9_Split.log

TO DO LIST :
------------
- support of 2 audio stream
- support of subtitles
- create the .smil file with menu

u can mail me at : darkcracker@caramail.com

Bye.

Razorblade2000

25th July 2002, 11:08

...I'll give it a try!
:D

Razorblade2000

1st August 2002, 13:04

THe out of synch thing wasn't a bug in AutoRV9. It was one in PowerVCRII...
Have a look at:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30355

Razorblade2000

7th August 2002, 12:46

...how is the developing working? Are we close to a 2 audio streams version?

Dark-Cracker

26th September 2002, 04:50

hi,

if someone are interested here was the first beta of autorv9 v1.2
i have added :

- add a boost of the audio (sometimes the audio level was too low).
- fixed a problem with the tempory directory (producer use by default c:\windows\temp\ to store the tempory files)
- add support for two audio stream
- create the .smil files for launch the video and the different audio stream.
- fixed a problem with long name for the avisynth plugin.
- add a check on the avisynth installation.
- improve the bitrate calculator
- clean of the code.

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_1.2beta.zip

to be sure to succed your dvd backup use the light version of real producer (1.6 MO) .

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/RealProducer9_Light.rar

Post your bugs report or comments.
i am working actually to add the support of the subtitles.
stay tuned :)

Bye.

atracus

26th September 2002, 13:59

hi Dark-Cracker,
a first feedback: I'm using Helix Producer Plus 9.0.0.972, the path is SET to producer.exe, and I get the following behavior:

1. the Credits encoding window did not close manually at the end of encode: with AutoRV9 at the max CPU (above 90%), probably waiting for feedback from "producer lite", I had to End Program from Taskman

2. neither during Credits encoding, nor during Movie encoding, I see anything happening on the Log frame; this is prob due to the same reason as above.

In any case, I'll try next encode with the Lite version, as you suggest, maybe installing it in the same folder as AutoRV. I preferred the "latest" I have, in order to have probably less problems / imperfections... do you plan to make the final 1.2 compatible with Helix? And - do you plan to add "Find Max Gain" to BeSweet downsampling (optional, but welcome)?

thanks for the good work!

[atx]

Dark-Cracker

26th September 2002, 14:22

hi,

first my english was not very well and perhaps i have not understand all right your post.

>1. the Credits encoding window did not close manually at the end of
> encode: with AutoRV9 at the max CPU (above 90%), probably waiting
> for feedback from "producer lite", I had to End Program from Taskman.

The Helix producer command line doesn't close automaticly at the end of the encoding process. it for that the lite version use the producer.exe file from preview version (which close at the end of the encoding) and the helix codec. i am still working on a way to kill the producer.exe task at the end of the encode but i have no find a way to detect the end of the encoding (i had think to wait the creation of the .rmvb file but if there is an error , the software will do an infinite loop) if u have an idear post a msg.

>2. neither during Credits encoding, nor during Movie encoding, I see anything happening on the Log frame; this is prob due to the same reason as above.

this sentence mean u see the loggin of the encoding process i am right ? if yes it because i have added in the command line the -lc e,d
to show the error and the dianostic (much easy to understand why the encode doesn't work and report me the error ).

>In any case, I'll try next encode with the Lite version, as you suggest, maybe installing it in the same folder as AutoRV.

normaly the final version of autorv9 will be bundle with the light version, and a autodetection of the path.

>I preferred the "latest" I have, in order to have probably less
>problems / imperfections...

the light version come with the helix codec = same quality (i have make some test with the lite versus the helix and the encode process was a bit more speed for the light and the final size arond 1% the same and quality are the same for my eyes)

>do you plan to make the final 1.2 compatible with Helix?

i will try but i have really not idear to detect the end of the encoding.

>And - do you plan to add "Find Max Gain" to BeSweet downsampling (optional, but welcome)?

the besweet profil have already the post gain option (added in the version 1.1) :) :) :)

bye

take5

26th September 2002, 17:45

Dark-Cracker,

AutoRV9 v1.2 Beta tester here. I will try to do some testing tonight and report on results tomorrow.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homepage: http://flash.to/take5

atracus

26th September 2002, 17:58

thanks D-C,
you understood perfectly all my questions, and all answers were satisfactory and helpful.

[atx]

ohliuv

14th October 2002, 23:38

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
It's in your real producer directory (subfolder "RealMediaEditor")

Just got Helix Producer Plus, and RMEditor is not included. somewhere in the support section it say that "will be available soon" :/

karl_lillevold

24th October 2002, 23:17

Originally posted by atracus
a first feedback: I'm using Helix Producer Plus 9.0.0.972, the path is SET to producer.exe, and I get the following behavior:
1. the Credits encoding window did not close manually at the end of encode: with AutoRV9 at the max CPU (above 90%), probably waiting for feedback from "producer lite", I had to End Program from Taskman

I have also seen this hang at end of encode with producer 9.0.0.972. This appears to have been fixed in 9.0.1 Gold (9.0.1.250).

Hope this helps.

Dark-Cracker

11th November 2002, 08:36

Autorv9 v1.2 was out :

www.dark-angel.does.it (go in the download section)

Changelog v1.2 :
----------------

1.2 :
- add support of two audio stream
- add support of subtitle
- add a preview video
- add an avs script editor
- generate .smil file (needed for launch subs or audio streams)
- improve the autocrop
- add the overhead calc
- improve the quality indice
- fix the problem for the "c:\" tempory file
- free split size
- improve the split (now split on a keyframe)
- add filters for avisynth :
- Simple Resize
- Lanczos Resize
- TomsMoComp
- Decomb
- IT
- IVTC 2
- CNR2
- TemporalSoften2
- Unfilter
- Msharpen
- 2D cleaner
- SmartSmoothHiQ
- SmoothDeinterlace
- Convolution3D
- ......
- improve the besweet preset (better normalisation & boost)
- autosearch of real producer.
- clean of the code & internal changes

Credits :
--------

- Trbarry (for the tomsmocomp & unfilter and thank u for the simpleresize modification i make a little time before adding it but i was on hollidays and my problem's famility take me busy).
- Marc FD (thank u for you work on the cnr2 filter ) .
- Neuron2 (thank u for the decomb & msharpen filter )
- Nic (for finding & compiling the lanczos.dll file )
- Sh0dan for the SmotherHiq & avisynth
- Vlad59 for the Convolution3D
- Dividee for the Temporalsoften2
- Wizard_FL for the ivtc22
- Kiraru for the _2Dcleaner
- TheJam for IT 0.51
- Gunnar Thalin for SmoothDeinterlace
- DspGuru for the Besweet soft

and geets to Ambamo for the smil creation and Kintorask for the ntsc tests.

Bye.

PS: sorry for my very crap english

Dark-Cracker

10th April 2003, 17:54

hi,

just a little question :

which avisynth v2.5.1 filter do u want in the next autorv9 release ?

i think i will add :

simpleresize,bicublinresize
convolution3D,edeen,dust,fluxsmooth
unfilter,msharpen,warpsharp
vsfilter

if someone have a request for a filter :)
i will release the autorv9 v1.3beta1 in a few days.
(unhappyly the realoneplayer have crashed and impossible to reinstall it :( :( :( and the .smil tests will be reported).

Bye.

Valky

10th April 2003, 18:22

Cnr2, Tomsmocomp and the most important is AvsMon.

Unfortunately I haven't had any luck to make it work with RealMedia codec, but it works great with Xvid and Divx and 3ivx. It just would be nice to watch encoding process but I am not sure if it works with RealMedia.

also these temporalsoften modes recommendd by author himself would be nice:

#Soft filtering:
#Temporalsoften(2,3,3,mode=2,scenechange=6)

#Medium filtering:
#Temporalsoften(3,5,5,mode=2,scenechange=10)

#Heavy filtering:
#Temporalsoften(4,8,8,mode=2,scenechange=10)

And I am not sure how it was done earlier, but somekind of DelayAudio in avs-script could be nice if it isn't there already :)

Sirber

11th April 2003, 00:11

Defenitly DeComb! The most usefull filter of all!!! :D

Synaps

12th April 2003, 16:27

In the next release WAVE option possibility i think it's a good thing !

+++

CaptainCarrot

13th April 2003, 01:43

Hi DarkCracker,
i've just done 2 movies with your "encode credits separately"-option, and they were both oversized. I was aiming at 703MB for the first movie, and i got 701MB movie +9MB credits = 710MB. The second movie was aimed at 790MB, and I got 788 + 8, so it looks pretty much as if the size of the credits is not substracted from the total size of the movie before the bitrate is recalculated, since everytime I didn't use the "encode credits separately" the files were perfect size. :confused:

Dark-Cracker

13th April 2003, 08:01

i will made some tests :) to see where the problem come from.
and hope it will be solved in the next release.

stay tuned.
Bye.

AsPiRiN

13th April 2003, 16:02

Hey Dark!
I did a movie with rv9 and srt subtitles with autorv9 but the subs are not dispayed correctly(funnie characters). They are greek subs. However if i open the .rt file with notepad, they are ok. So there is something to do with real one gold and mpclassic. Is there an option that i miss?? I couldnt find something..

Dark-Cracker

13th April 2003, 16:13

hum strange.

try to change in the .rt header file the font used (sometimes if the letter doesn't exist in the font it will display some strange characters.).

else u can try to add in the <window ...> header this :

<window ... type="generic" >

i will use standard ansii iso to display your .rt file.

post the result if this solve ypur problem.

Bye.

AsPiRiN

15th April 2003, 01:54

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hum strange.

try to change in the .rt header file the font used (sometimes if the letter doesn't exist in the font it will display some strange characters.).

else u can try to add in the <window ...> header this :

<window ... type="generic" >

i will use standard ansii iso to display your .rt file.

post the result if this solve ypur problem.

Bye.

That didnt work...

But i was suggested to open them with notepad and change the face="Arial" to face="System". That actually worked! The subs are displayed correctly!!!(even if i dont really like this type of fonts!)!

However they are a little small and if increase their size, some of them at the bottom are not displayed. Can i somehow move them up , a little bit over the video???

AsPiRiN

15th April 2003, 02:25

I found these settings to work best for me for a 640xXXX 16:9 movie.Others than than produce more cropping of the video as i cant make subs transparent over the movie. :(

rt file:

<window duration="0:01:32.00" width="640" height="70" wordwrap="true" loop="true" bgcolor="black" >


smil file:

<smil xmlns="">
<head>
<layout>
<root-layout backgroundColor="black" width="640" height="456"/>
<region id="video_region" z-index="1"/>
<region id="text_region" height="70" bottom="0" z-index="2"/>

Maybe u should make some tests too and if u think that they suit best for u too, maybe u could apply a patch for the original subtitle files of RV9, inside autorv9 1.3!
:)

P.S1 For 4:3 movies, subs crop the image because of the black backround :(

p.s2 If it is possible to display subs over the movie (transparent without black backround), please post a way

31 Flavas

15th April 2003, 07:33

Originally posted by AsPiRiN
I found these settings to work best for me for a 640xXXX 16:9 movie.Others than than produce more cropping of the video as i cant make subs transparent over the movie. :( Transparent subs are really not difficult at all to make if you already have subs you are happy with because the changes are only made in the .smil file.

Here is code from one of my (anamorphic) dvd rips.

<smil xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/SMIL20/Language" xmlns:rn="http://features.real.com/2001/SMIL20/Extensions">
<head>
<layout>
<root-layout width="846" height="480"/>
<region id="video_region" z-index="1"/>
<region id="text_region" top="375" z-index="2"/>
</layout>
</head>
<body>
<par>
<video src="akira.rmvb" region="video_region" fill="remove"/>
<textstream src="akira.rt" region="text_region" rn:backgroundOpacity="0%" fill="freeze"/>
</par>
</body>
</smil> The first line is manditory; It has to be in the file or transparency will not work.

I don't know if it has to access that url once, everytime, or not at all. (I do not use PC firewall software.) But, transparancy won't work with out it.

The <root-layout> part defines the viewing window. Set it to your movies dimentions. The next important part is the top="". To calculate the number to put in the quotes subtract the height of your subtitles (get this from the .rt file) from the height of the movie and then subtract 20, 25, or 30 from that number (depending how far up from the bottom of movie you want to raise the subs). Now insert the rn:backgroundOpacity="0%" line into your <textstream> tag.

Your subs should be transparent now.

If they aren't try giving RealOne/RealPlayer access to the internet, if you are forbidding it. Otherwise post your .smil file or PM it to me. I'll take a look at it and see if I see anything wrong.

31 Flavas

15th April 2003, 08:32

Originally posted by AsPiRiN
P.S1 For 4:3 movies, subs crop the image because of the black backround :( They don't have to... If Top="" is equal to your movies height, the subs will be placed below the video. In full screen you will get black bars on the sides, but none of the picture will be cropped.

AsPiRiN

16th April 2003, 03:05

Perfect!! It actually works!! Maybe u could also know if i can use another fonts for Greek script because "System" works, but the fonts are really ugly and wide, IMHO.

Thanx anyway!!

P.S.1 In my files, i have no Top="" , just Height="". However it works with the same way! ;)
P.S.2 Dark keep up the good work! :)

Dark-Cracker

19th April 2003, 18:47

hi,

here is the first beta of autorv9 v1.3 i don't have added a lot of things (still working on autodub).

WARNING : u need AVISYNTH v2.5.1
WARNING : u need enter EVEN value for the crop.

i u want add filters, u need to manualy edit the .avs file to tweak your script.

link :
------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b1.zip

Changelog :
-----------
- temporaly remove the filters
- work with avisynth v2.5.1
- use latest millestone
- support anamorphic encode
- add bicublin resize
- support 1 pass QB 100%
- support 1 pass CBR
- support 1/2 pass VBR
- add a compressibility test.
- improve crop window
- add ratio 1:1 to enter manualy your resize value.

know bug :
----------
* can't use a drive letter as tempory directory.
* if manual edit .avs and change filter => remove the manual change
* sometimes the .rpad file (profil for the codec) not updated if u change encode mode.
* bug if crop value are not even.

Todo:
-----
- improve .smil generation (create menu/chapters)
- fix bugs
- improve filters part.

Made some tests , next beta will solve the bug reported (not find the time actually), i will add filters with presets , and surely a better smil creation.

Ps: all suggestion or bugreport are welcome :)

Bye

Sirber

19th April 2003, 21:21

Yehoo!!!!! :D

I have a little question: What is "EVEN value for the crop" in french?

Synaps

19th April 2003, 21:51

I think même valeur, gauche-droite et haut-bas !

Dark-Cracker

19th April 2003, 21:57

et non c pas ca :)

EVEN = Pair
ODD = impair

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Synaps

19th April 2003, 22:02

:D thx Dark for your help ;)

Synaps

19th April 2003, 22:59

Can you create a .wav compatibility in audio please ! :)

Sirber

20th April 2003, 02:06

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
et non c pas ca :)

EVEN = Pair
ODD = impair

++

Thanks :). Je vais me coucher moins niaiseux :) (I'll sleep less dumb?!?)

Sirber

20th April 2003, 05:46

Crash if no D2V loaded, and using video options :) I'll try it with Mont Python and the holy grail.

Sirber

20th April 2003, 05:56

Oh jeez!! No Decomb. I'm doomed :(

Dark-Cracker

20th April 2003, 08:33

hi,

filters will be added in next release :)

++

Sirber

20th April 2003, 15:07

Producer 9.2M1 is great! I made in 9 hours MOnty Python and the Holy grail, on a 700 MB CD, 720x384, French and English, both at 96kbps, and the quality os so great!!!

Job Name Category Functional Area Timestamp MessageID Message
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-wavuncompressed
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\STREAM1.WAV
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8052,File Size: 930.07MB
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8060,Audio Track
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8061, Channels: Stereo
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8062, Bit Depth: 16
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8063, SampleRate: 44100 Hz
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8065, Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
PID1332,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:35:08,0,Using AutoRV9_Audio Audience
PID1332,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:35:08,0,Using audio codec: cook (96468 bps)
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:38:24,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:38:24,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:38:24,0,Shutting down WAV reader
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-wavuncompressed
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\STREAM2.WAV
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8052,File Size: 930.07MB
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8060,Audio Track
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8061, Channels: Stereo
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8062, Bit Depth: 16
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8063, SampleRate: 44100 Hz
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8065, Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
PID1484,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:38:27,0,Using AutoRV9_Audio Audience
PID1484,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:38:27,0,Using audio codec: cook (96468 bps)
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:41:46,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:41:46,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:41:46,0,Shutting down WAV reader
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:55,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:55,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\dvd_Movie.avs
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8052,File Size: 1KB
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.737
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8080,Video Track
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8081, Dimensions: 720 x 384
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8082, Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8083, Format: YUY2
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8084, Duration: 01:32:08.737
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
PID1460,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:41:56,0,Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
PID1460,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:41:56,0,Using video codec: rv9 (850000 bps)
PID1460,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2003/04/19 12:41:56,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\dvd_Movie.avs
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8052,File Size: 1KB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.737
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8081, Dimensions: 720 x 384
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8082, Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8083, Format: YUY2
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8084, Duration: 01:32:08.737
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 16:51:11,0,Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 16:51:11,0,Using video codec: rv9 (850000 bps)
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2003/04/19 16:51:11,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 21:00:51,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 21:00:51,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.

The sound is great as usual, but the picture is sharper, more details are kept, but therer is still some flictering in distant grass near the sky, maybe because of the noise...

Great job Karl (and the Real Team) :D

CaptainCarrot

21st April 2003, 10:47

@Dark-Cracker
I tried your 1.3beta and Avisynth 2.51-support works perfect, but I have some problems to get the new features to work.
1. I did a quality based 100% encode with 720x544, and the resulting file was 700MB and looked like a normal 2-pass.
2. How does the "use anamorphic resize"-checkbox work? I wanted to do encoding without any resizing and tell producer to resize to 960x544, which I couldn't.

Greetings

Kb_cruncher

21st April 2003, 13:18

I tried the 1.3 beta,the audio transcodes ok but the cmd boxes for the 1st and 2nd passes stay on scren for about a second.I am assuming something is stopping autoRV9 from initializing the encode.I have been through all the settings and everything seems ok.The movie previews fine and the avs scripts are ok as i loaded them into vdubmod.I have tried it without the credits option and without audio and still it happens.Has anyone else had this happen to them?

Dark-Cracker

21st April 2003, 21:34

hi,

@CaptainCarrot
1- the 100% use the maxbitrate to avoid oversized file, it for that u have the perfectfinal size.
2- i don't rely find the utility to encode at a size upper than 720* XXX it for that i have a bit cheat with the anamorphic encode.
for exemple if u want to encode at 640*272 (or 720 is the max ouput resolution) in fact it will resize the video in the avisynth script at a resolution lower for exemple 540 (but keeping the spect ratio) and use realproducer to resize at 640*272 and u will have a great result :) believe me.

@kb_cruncher
try to see in the c:\audio_stream1.log and c:\audio_stream2.log it's the besweet log and i will see where it failed.

Bye.

Sirber

22nd April 2003, 00:21

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

@CaptainCarrot
1- the 100% use the maxbitrate to avoid oversized file, it for that u have the perfectfinal size.
2- i don't rely find the utility to encode at a size upper than 720* XXX it for that i have a bit cheat with the anamorphic encode.
for exemple if u want to encode at 640*272 (or 720 is the max ouput resolution) in fact it will resize the video in the avisynth script at a resolution lower for exemple 540 (but keeping the spect ratio) and use realproducer to resize at 640*272 and u will have a great result :) believe me.

This is anamorphic? I taught it was a kind-of zoom on the player side... :S

CaptainCarrot

22nd April 2003, 02:02

2- i don't rely find the utility to encode at a size upper than 720* XXX it for that i have a bit cheat with the anamorphic encode.
for exemple if u want to encode at 640*272 (or 720 is the max ouput resolution) in fact it will resize the video in the avisynth script at a resolution lower for exemple 540 (but keeping the spect ratio) and use realproducer to resize at 640*272 and u will have a great result believe me.
Hm, ok, let me try to tell you what I want to to when doing an anamorphic encode:
1. I have a 16:9 input source with 720x576
2. I crop the black bars so 720x544 is left
3. I don't use any resize filter, because I want to preserve the original quality, and encode 720x544 (works with 1:1 at the moment)
4. I tell producer to resize to 960x544 (720/(4/3)*(16/9)=960), so during playback the movie is stretched from 720x544 to 960x544, thus having the correct AR.

The last step doesn't work with AutoRV9 yet.

What's the difference between what I'm doing and AutoRV9 does?
I use an INCREASED vertical resolution in producer, whereas AutoRV9 uses a DECREASED horizontal resolution in avisynth. I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality. :confused:

Sirber

22nd April 2003, 03:46

That's I want to :(

karl_lillevold

22nd April 2003, 07:06

yup, very well described. With anamorphic, there should be no resizing in AviSynth, just cropping, then Producer should be set to resize to width x height, where height is the height after cropping, and width = height * aspect_ratio. I just tried the anamorphic option in AutoRV9 and that's not quite how this works. The new YV12 support is very nice though, especially when some filters are added back.

CaptainCarrot

22nd April 2003, 10:46

karl_lillevold wrote on 22nd April 2003 02:09:
CaptainCarrot:

Your description of anamorphic encoding is very accurate, and how I would hope it to work in AutoRV9, but I have not yet gotten around to trying it out.

What happens if you specify 960x544 in the options for AutoRV9? Does it not then just not resize in AviSynth, and pass the resize settings to producer, like it should, such that producer can place the "anamorphic flag" in the bitstream?

P.S. I have asked for producer to re-enable its printing of the command line options to make it easier to see the options it was called with.

Karl.

Hi Karl,
it might work with AutoRV9 if you could choose a higher horizontal resolution than 720, but you can't. You'd still have to disable resizing manually, but that's not really a big thing.
Printing of the command-line options would be useful indeed, even though the command line you posted in that anamorphic encode thread works perfect for me. :D

One more thought for Dark-Cracker:
The way you describe your 1-pass 100% quality sounds like a constant bitrate encode. I checked the producers specs and I don't think a 100% quality encode if even possible (100% here meaning going for maximum quality (almost) regardless of filesize), since the rpad-file always needs average and maximum bitrate numbers.

Dark-Cracker

22nd April 2003, 22:55

hi,

@captaincarrot
see in the .avs file by editing the script u will how autorv9 use anamorphic.it don't use it to increase the resolution over 720 but by reducing input to resize at the desired resolution. here u can use anamorphic whatever is your selected output resolution.

Hm, ok, let me try to tell how it work in autorv9 :

1. I have a 16:9 input source with 720x576
2. I crop the black bars so 720x544 is left (ratio 1.32)
3. i want an output resize at 640*344 (16:9 => ratio 1.85)
4. avisyth resize at 720/(544/344)=456
resize at 456*344 (ratio 1.32)
5.resize in producer at 640*344

final u have save pixels (640-456) and u have the desired resolution.

for the 1pass quality, the avg bitrate is not used only max bitrate.

>I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality.
perhaps try some other tools for the rv9 that could fufill your wish.
if u are not satisfied by my work.

++

Sirber

22nd April 2003, 23:39

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

@captaincarrot
see in the .avs file by editing the script u will how autorv9 use anamorphic.it don't use it to increase the resolution over 720 but by reducing input to resize at the desired resolution. here u can use anamorphic whatever is your selected output resolution.

Hm, ok, let me try to tell how it work in autorv9 :

1. I have a 16:9 input source with 720x576
2. I crop the black bars so 720x544 is left (ratio 1.32)
3. i want an output resize at 640*344 (16:9 => ratio 1.85)
4. avisyth resize at 720/(544/344)=456
resize at 456*344 (ratio 1.32)
5.resize in producer at 640*344

final u have save pixels (640-456) and u have the desired resolution.

for the 1pass quality, the avg bitrate is not used only max bitrate.

>I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality.
perhaps try some other tools for the rv9 that could fufill your wish.
if u are not satisfied by my work.

++

DC... I don't get it... You lower the rez, and the player zoom it back to the rez wanted... Why not then encode at 456*344 and the player will then resize in full screen? The goal of anasomething is to encode at DVD rez with no resizine then in the player zoom to the good proportion. We gain quality with this. Anasomething is for uting when we have enough bits to spend on it, not when they are missing.

Maybe you can implement both :)

CaptainCarrot

23rd April 2003, 00:01

Hi Dark-Cracker,
>>I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality.
perhaps try some other tools for the rv9 that could fufill your wish.
if u are not satisfied by my work. .
Sorry if that sounded somewhat rude, didn't mean to. Your tool is great, it's just that your anamorphic encoding is somewhat strange, and i had the impression that when implementing that in AutoRV9 you took it for something else than everyone else, I only wanted to point that out. Since it's a beta, I'm just trying to give feedback.
It might actually already work if the res wasn't limited to 720. Would it be possible to remove that limit for anamorphic encoding?

Ramirez

23rd April 2003, 00:53

Hey D.C first of all I'd like to thank you for the extremely good work you're doing with Autorv9,this is my favorite tool ever and I'm using it exclusively for my RV9 encodes.
Now since you're asked for people's input on your tool here is mine, nothing important really but still..

1. is it possible to enable "ShowInTaskbar" property for the main form; it's somewhat annoying not being able to minimize the autorv9's window to the tray.

2. The logging window, any chance to dump it? Its shows up absolutely randomly and I've never seen any useful info displayed there (more precisely its not showing anything)Perhaps it's a good idea to add an about box instead?

3. The process priority settings, is it possible to replicate it to the autorv9's tray icon so when you're clicking on the tray icon with the left mouse button menu shows up where you can change process priority on the fly (while its really easy under win2k/XP, Win9x users need some third part tools for that purpose)

4. External application pathes for Producer, rmeditor etc should be checked out silently upon every startup of autorv9 and since the search will be limited to the app.Path. dir it's won't affect start-up times at all, that "save settings" confirmation box should only shows up if autorv9 fails to find these apps in their default directory, or when the user want to choose an alternative dir other then default.

Probably that kind of changes will require loads of work, but hey this is only mine none professional opinion, and your tool really great as it, I just thought about the way to make it even more good.

Thanks again and keep up the great work.:)

Dark-Cracker

23rd April 2003, 18:30

@sirber
if u use fullscreen u will lost ratio :) (it's a joke)
not in fact i have add this fake anamorphic because i encode some anime and i use a lower res and with this way u can save bits and keep a correct resolution.
but the other way (real anamorphic) will be added :)

@CaptainCarrot
no problem :) :)
i will modified the anamorphic encode.
and of course feedback are welcome.

@ramirez
1- yes it will be modified
2- i will try to avoid it popup else i will try to display informations :)
3- i will try to see how to change the priority on the fly but it's not so easy to add it.
4- yes i will try to improve this window.

++

Sirber

24th April 2003, 00:38

Hi DC!!!!

For animes it's a good thing, I didn't think about that... I was thinking about real movies :) It's great if you will implement both.

can't wait! can't wait!

A little fatty biggy question: What about 32kbps voice codec? Answer me!!! :devil: :devil: :devil: (not joking ;) )

Sirber

28th April 2003, 22:45

Any news?

When the next beta will be out? I can't wait!!!! :D

iwod

2nd May 2003, 11:40

@ Dark Cracker

could you implement a funvtion for profiles, so i could use different version of producer for testing instead of choosing the producer.exe everytime.

snowcrash

9th May 2003, 22:55

I'd like to try out AutoRV9 but I noticed that it wants to install AviSynth 2.06. I already have AviSynth 2.51(?) installed on my system for use with Gordian Knot. I'm guessing this will mess things up if I install the AviSynth that comes with AutoRV9? How should I handle this? Thanks.

zedude

9th May 2003, 23:06

Autorv9 1.3 beta supports avisynth 2.51 : http://www.dark-angel.does.it

Ramirez did a repack of autorv9 1.2 with avisynth 2.5+ : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50675

Sirber

9th May 2003, 23:08

The repack works great. AutoRV9 1.3b1 isn't ready for encoding now. There is no filters.

I can't wait for b2!!

snowcrash

10th May 2003, 07:50

Yes, the repack works well, although the IVTC 2.2 filter does not work (gives error "not an AviSynth 2.5 filter"). I heard this one was good for anime, that's why I was trying to use it. Anyway, I used Decomb and that looks fine.

Does anyone have an opinion on the anime filters MSmooth and Deen Beta? Do they help much?

Sirber

10th May 2003, 14:23

Decomb is the best one in my opinion.

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 07:44

Hi,

autorv9 v1.3 beta2 is released :)
i have not fully tested all the options but apparently all work fine , bug report and suggestions are welcome before the final release :)

URL (5Mb) :
-----------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b2.zip

changelog :
-----------
- anamorphic encode support
- support .wav audio input file
- improve smil file for 4/3 movie.
- fix the black frames when splitting movie.
- improve audio part (full azid comfiguration possible,add boost, pre gain .... etc )
- improve video filters.
- some bug fix / clean of the code

To do :
-------
add an histogram for showing the bitrate
add chapters support
improve subtitle support
minor changes still in whishlist.

Enjoy it :)
Bye

iwod

7th June 2003, 09:00

it said i need vb6fr.dll, where could i find it??

edit: i download it from some site and put it in my system32 file. But it comes out as a french message error....

31 Flavas

7th June 2003, 10:07

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

To do :
-------
add an histogram for showing the bitrate
add chapters support
improve subtitle support
minor changes still in whishlist.

Enjoy it :) How do you plan on doing chapters? i'm very curious, because I don't know how to do it without it being a total kludge and SMIL nightmare.

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 18:31

hi,

@iwod
which is this french msg ?
in my site web u can find all the runtime needed for my tools.

@31 flavas
for the chapters u need to use the smil seek function. smil was not a total nightmare :) wait to see my interactive menu :)

Bye.

Ramirez

7th June 2003, 19:54

Hey DC nice work thx! :) Here are some things I hope you can check and fix (more later :D)

1. The Avisynth script isn't updated at all, (moviename_movie.avs) no matter what I do it remains the same,now if I try to delete this file (autorv9 usually recreates this file in this scenario), the program crashes (File not found error) IIRC error-21.
2. The memory usage is goes up to 140mb here (in idle state)
3. Minimize to tray... Remember? pleeease enable it.:)

Thanks!

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 20:20

hi,

yes no problem the avisynth edito script part is beeing modified :)

hum are strange it use so much memory i will made some check but i think if it have crashed before (like in your 1. bug report) it surrely for this :)

yes i will try to improve the systray tray option :)

Bye.

Ramirez

7th June 2003, 20:36

I should have been more precise sorry; :) Autorv9 only eats memory when I open up the Crop window, especially if I moving the seeking bar (seeking is so speedy now, great work!) the memory usage for autorv9.exe then immediately jumps up to 140mb and then it stays the same even if I close the Crop window (the only way to bring it down is by terminating the autorv9.exe)

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 21:30

hum i think i have forget to deallocate memory once the video stream have finish to grab frame :)

i will fix this in the next release. think to redo a test to see if this problem is fixed.

Bye.

31 Flavas

8th June 2003, 01:31

I'm intersted in using the anamorphic resize of Producer in autorv9, but I can not figure out how to use it. The anamorphic resize numbers are grayed out and not changeable even when I put a checkmark in the anamorphic resize box.

I want to go 720x480 -> 888x480 (1.85:1).

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

8th June 2003, 01:44

crop your movie then select anamorphic and use "keep croping value" it will calculate the anamorphic value needed. (using the croped value * ratio) u can't enter manual values.

Bye.

31 Flavas

8th June 2003, 03:40

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

crop your movie then select anamorphic and use "keep croping value" it will calculate the anamorphic value needed. (using the croped value * ratio) The ratio of the dvd video is 1.50:1 so it is giving me 600x400 as the anamorphic resize value. This is wrong, my movie is 1.85:1.

u can't enter manual values. Why not? Will manual entry of anamorphic resize come in a later version?

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

8th June 2003, 04:06

hi,

could try to host a part of your movie , i wanted to made some tests why it doesn't use the right ratio.
perhaps a free resize but later this could disapointed the user to have differents resize value tu enter :)

Bye.

31 Flavas

8th June 2003, 06:02

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

could try to host a part of your movie , i wanted to made some tests why it doesn't use the right ratio. It doesn't use the right ratio, because I have not resized the input video. The input video is still 720x480 US NTSC dvd video (1.50:1). The proper playback viewing ratio is 1.85:1.

perhaps a free resize but later this could disapointed the user to have differents resize value tu enter I want to use RealProducers anamorphic resize so I do not lose any of the 480 lines of resolution. Please allow manual entry of anamorphic resize. Both RMFactory and x2real allow this.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

10th June 2003, 02:23

hi,

a quick update here :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/autorv9_1.3_b2_update.zip

changelog :
-----------
- add EHQ support
- improve autocrop

@Ramirez
i think now the memory problem is also fixed i close the videostream once u start an encode. could u made a test.

Bye.

31 Flavas

10th June 2003, 05:48

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

perhaps a free resize but later this could disapointed the user to have differents resize value tu enter :) Or perhaps you could just allow editing of the command line that will be sent to producer. I could make the changes I need there.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

10th June 2003, 12:56

yes i will try to find a solution :)

Bye.

Ramirez

11th June 2003, 00:51

Hey DC, sorry couldn't replay earlier,:) Yes the mem usage is better now (dropped from 140 to 60),so I guess there's still some unresolved issues for you to fix,and no,the Avisynth editor window is still not updated.

Dark-Cracker

20th July 2003, 19:44

the beta 3 is out :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b3.zip

Changelog :
--------------

- change latency at 60 sec.
- bundle with latest Producer Millestone 5 (EHQ support)
- added support for Multichannel (create 6 separate .wav mono file)
- add support for 5.1 input wav file.
- improve audio part (added azid, boost, resample ... )
- rewritte the rv9 header parser.
- improve the P4 Hyperthreading support.
- improve the split : more accurate & fix the black screen bug on second part.
- fix the problem for the update of avisynth script file.

All bug report and suggestions are welcome :)

Bye.

superdump

21st July 2003, 01:51

I'm new to this program but it looks very nice. All the options seem to be in place and it's very easy to use. I haven't encountered any bugs so far and it is happily encoding at the moment. :)

iwod

21st July 2003, 09:38

why o why....... does the vb6 setup never work for me......

where can i find other setup program??

Edit........ ok i find a soloution is to simply copy it manually VBFR.dll to system32 folder.

Dark-Cracker

21st July 2003, 12:27

sorry i don't have added vb6fr.dll :) in the package . but i can download the vb6runtime pack on my site web.

To do :
-------

add job list
add 6 wav mono input
add avisynth error detection
add .avi/.ogm/.mkv ... input
add output as matroska file
(cf : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57318)

Bye.

karl_lillevold

23rd July 2003, 22:02

Great utility, D-C!

A couple of things to remember when using it (I have forgotten myself, which is why I mention it here):

I always recommend changing the resize to Neutral Bicubic (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43487) instead of Soft Bicubic. Of course, preferences vary on this topic.

And of course, always remember to set EHQ mode to Extra High, unless you have set the reg key to always use encoderComplexity = 80.

ookzDVD

24th July 2003, 03:04

Hi DC,

Nice update in the right time and the right place :)

I just don't understand why the auto crop is still behave
strange on my machine, sometimes even I did the manual crop
while enter the value, your proggie is suddently behave strange,
just like not responding.

Btw, the audio section, please add the "surround2" mode without
click the "Advanced".

Thank you.

karl_lillevold

24th July 2003, 08:16

@ookzDVD: I think due to Avisynth restrictions, AutoRV9 cropping tries to enforce even numbers in the dialog boxes, so if you want to enter 50, it refuses the first 5, and then hangs (at least sometimes). So I always type 60, and use the arrows to go up and down from there.

Regarding Surround2: as far as I can see, this is the default downmix mode, so you don't actually have to open the Advanced menu. I always open it anyway though, to add Normalization.

This brings me to my question. I have not really played around much with Dolby ProLogic II, well not at all, to be honest. Compared to PL1, this is supposed to be able to carry separate rear channels, right..? Have you tried to encode this downmixed 2ch signal and noticed a good rear channel separation when playing back the result? When I get 6 speakers for home, I'll experiment with the 'Surround2' and 'Surround' modes, and see if there is much difference.

Dark-Cracker

24th July 2003, 08:43

Hi,

@karl
yep i must change the resize filter i have set it on soft bicubic because it a but most faster than neutral but i think there is not a lot of differences.
for EHQ i think set it at default on 80 could made at the user the wrong idear that rv9 is (very) slow. but i will try to find a solution (surely ask on the first start if u want to set ehq on hight an save the setting.)

@ookzDVD
if u select "stereo output" besweet will be set on "stereo" for the downmix, if u select "surround output" it will be set on "surround" because it seems to me the surround2 matrix have some problems and of course was optimised for DP2 and not DP1 but i will change it on surround2 if the users prefer :)

could u explain me excately what is happen with the autocrop ?

@karl
>AutoRV9 cropping tries to enforce even numbers in the dialog boxes.
yes it round number at the near modulo 2 , hum i will made more tests to avoid this problem of the number 50 :) .

hum i will surely add the normalisation in the default settings or perhaps even save the settings of the audio in the .ini file it's parhaps the best solution :)

Bye.

Wilbert

24th July 2003, 10:35

@Karl,

Have a look at: http://hypercubemx.free.fr/html/the_audio_formats_jungle.html

karl_lillevold

24th July 2003, 18:31

I just added this to the RV9 Info thread.
EDIT: 07/24: Avoid Producer Milestone 5. An accidental change was made that disabled EHQ no matter what the reg key or encoderComplexity setting is set to.
Until D-C can update his zip with a fixed encoder DLL erv4.dll, please update the DLL yourself.

EDIT: information about the new method to enable EHQ, and a corrected DLL where the previous method works (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196)

Valky

24th July 2003, 18:38

So you are saying that latest Autorv9 has this broken dll?

karl_lillevold

24th July 2003, 18:44

yes, it has a DLL that does not do EHQ, no matter how you try to set it. Neither reg key nor Audience file setting works. that's the problem with posting these Milestones with little QA testing. I can't test every change that's made to all of Producer myself :angry:

ookzDVD

25th July 2003, 03:14

@DC,

I think karl_lillevold was right about the crop :)
But the autocrop is still mystery on my machine,
btw, I prefer to do manually anyway.

Btw, I think your .srt -> .rt routine is going wild,
the timestamp is not converted correctly.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

26th July 2003, 00:13

hi,

@ookzDVD
i have change the autocrop (before it was failed and the negative value found froozen the window now it's fixed).

could u send me your .srt file at darkcracker@caramail.com and say me which fps is the video (have u used some ivtc who have change the fps from 29.97 to 23.976 ?) , and could u post a little sample of the original .srt and the same sample after conversion in .rt file ?

thank u this will help me to solve this bug :)

Bye.

ookzDVD

28th July 2003, 04:01

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

could u send me your .srt file at darkcracker@caramail.com and say me which fps is the video (have u used some ivtc who have change the fps from 29.97 to 23.976 ?) , and could u post a little sample of the original .srt and the same sample after conversion in .rt file ?

thank u this will help me to solve this bug :)

Bye.

Sorry DC, somehow I did delete the .rt file. :(
But I can tell you in brief, the first timestamp in the .rt
file is start with "01:...." not 00:..... :(

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

28th July 2003, 23:00

hi,

a quick update :

url :
-----
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b3.5.zip
(unzip and overwrite in the autorv9 directory)

changelog :
-----------
fix possible crop slider freeze
fix preview
fix EHQ problem (using hight, or very-hight switch)
fix refresh tempory directory (for 2 audio stream)
fix possible problem with 5.1 wav input

added joblist
added audio 2.0=> 5.1 (kpex method)
add basic log file when encoding
improve azid (for .ac3) settings.

the 2 most steps are the improve of RA multichannels with the possibility to emulate stereo (2.0) file to surround( 5.1) file.
entierely based on teh KPEX way (all greet go to him).

and the possibility to add job in queued.

PS: i don't have made a lot of tests with the job function if u have some bugs to report thik to describe exactely the way to reproduce it !!!!

Bye.

ookzDVD

29th July 2003, 03:32

Hi DC,

Thank you for the beta update,
btw, with the latest 1.3 beta 3, I did EHQ @ 700Mb and the actual
size is 702Mb, so I try again with target @ 699 but the result is
625Mb. How could it be so dramatic ? Is it the producer effect
or just your proggie ?

Thank you.

Sirber

29th July 2003, 03:38

702MB is still burnable. If no, try overburn :)

ookzDVD

29th July 2003, 03:50

My CD-RW is too old maybe max 8x, not support over-burn yet :(
the Nero report the size is 80:01 :(

Sirber

29th July 2003, 03:58

Try advanced options. If you overburn for 2 MB it should be ok, but overburn on some burner can burn them :) Use with caution. I'm not responsible!! :eek:

karl_lillevold

29th July 2003, 06:28

overburn: in Nero I always seem to forget how to get overburn to work. I have found I have to do these three steps:
1) Enable the advanced option for overburn (File->Preferences->Expert Features->Enable overburn.
2) In the options for every disc in Multisession (no wizard mode), choose No Multisession.
3) Finally, in the Burn menu, choose Disc-At-Once/96. This option becomes available only after choosing No Multisession in step 2).
These steps could probably have been made easier... Anyone?

Producer created too small file: double-check to make sure EHQ is really enabled.. Also, I have seen this happen for encodes where there is a very long and very stationary credits section. Due to Producer's VBR design, it sometimes has trouble spending enough bits for the Credits section. AutoRV9's separate credit / feature encode seems to always work great to avoid this problem. I have seen many examples where 695 MB target ends up being between 695 and 700MB.

@DC: do you think you can put back a link to 1.3b3 in the first post? The only link there now is to the b3.5 update that does not include the rest of b3.

karl_lillevold

29th July 2003, 06:47

Hi DC,

I am afraid the latest 1.3b3.5 does not work with EHQ . In codecProperties it currently puts:

<codecProperties type="bag">
<encoderComplexity type="uint">very-high</encoderComplexity>
</codecProperties>

This does not work. As explained in my Producer M5 post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196), there is a new setting in the videoStream section that looks like below. The confusing part is how it almost looks the same ('encodingComplexity' instead of 'encoderComplexity', and has been moved to the <videoStream> section from the <codecProperties> section. The other difference is the setting itself, which has been simplified from confusing numbers to simple string descriptions.

<videoStream>
...
<encodingComplexity type="string">very-high</encodingComplexity>
...
</videoStream>

The result of this error is that encoding fails with this error message:

PID2332,Error,Job File,2003/07/28 21:35:46,10124,Element "encoderComplexity" of type uint has invalid value "very-high"
PID2332,Diagnostic,SDK Configuration,2003/07/28 21:35:46,10407,Unable to load audience from file c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad

So this version of AutoRV9 will not work with either Milestone 5 or my corrected DLL, if you try to enable EHQ. Both should work well without EHQ. If you would like to use EHQ, you have to use 1.3b3 with my corrected DLL (see Producer M5 link above).

karl_lillevold

29th July 2003, 07:01

So after the encoding failed I tried to edit the c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad file audience file manually and then re-run the encode, but it looks like AutoRV9 now deletes its avs scripts when it exits. This has always been my escape strategy when something has failed, so it would be very useful if the Avisynth scripts were not deleted on exit.

P.S. no problems detected with crop slider this time. I think that problem was fixed completely.

ammer

29th July 2003, 09:24

atkarl, nero should save these settings then there and after you set these settings. many times i have done the thing nero and it burns without the step process.

Dark-Cracker

29th July 2003, 12:58

dohh ! i have made a mistake :) so much tired when i have made the modifications :) i will fix this problem asap, does someone have notice another problems ? perhaps with the joblist or the option to upmix stereo input in surround output ?

@karl
i have change the refresh of the .avs,.rpad file else the joblist will have some problems (it's this who avoid in previous version of autorv9 to made more than 1 encode else another encode used the previous .rpad file).

Bye.

ookzDVD

30th July 2003, 03:14

@DC,

Yes I just want to post about that problem too,
btw what's wrong with your EHQ in the AutoRV9 1.3 beta3 anyway ?

@karl_lillevold,

Thank you for the over-burn tips, I'll try.
btw, anyone here ever try use the 90mins CDR ?
I have the CD but Nero can't burn over 80mins on
my CDRW :(

ammer

30th July 2003, 09:48

sorry nm with the nero thing. it seemed like the steps did not work. scratch the last post.

Dark-Cracker

31st July 2003, 22:32

u can use this installer to completely enjoy the real audio 5.1 :)

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Real_Audio_5.1.zip

next beta will be out in two or three days , if u have some suggestions / bug report it's time :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

4th August 2003, 21:18

hi,

another little update :)

url :
-----

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b4.zip

changelog :
-----------

option to improve hight scene motion.
fix subtitle problems.
support .avs input
improve 2.0=>5.1 conversion
fixed fully the EHQ mode
add chapters support for .smil
add transparent subtitle for .smil
detect the avisynth error msg
improve avisynth editor (support credits .avs).
change priority on the fly (dblclick on the systray icon)

Personal comments :
-------------------
1)
--> option to improve hight scene motion. <--
i have added an option to add grain in hight motion and avoid the codec blur these scene by forcing the rv9 codec to redistribute more bits on these scenes. this option is EXPERIMENTAL use it only for vbr 2 pass mode else your encode could be oversized.

any report/tests on this option is welcome.

2)
this time the EHQ fully work :) sorry for my previous mistake.

3)
u can now import .avs file (this mean avi/directshow source option,u can now open : .rmvb/.mkv/.omg/.avi/.wmv/.mpg/.qt )

Bye.

deXtoRious

5th August 2003, 01:17

A good thing that I decided to come here before launching another dvdrip...;)

Valky

5th August 2003, 11:17

Seems to me that this tool has now everything I have ever wanted and much more. So if there isn't any major bugs left, it should be perfect now!

I am gonna test as soon as I can :)

Just one question. Is it enough to update this file over old AutoRV9 1.2?

Or what version should I have so that I can unzip this beta over it?

Dark-Cracker

5th August 2003, 13:19

don't decompress file in the autorv9 v1.2 directory else there will be a conflict beetween the old producer .dll and the new millestone build.

to made a full install :

install avisynth v2.5.2
unzip beta v1.3b3 (bundle with Millestone M5,besweet,plugin)
unzip the update : v1.3b4

not necessary :
if u want u can also update the mpeg2dec3.dll v1.10 (dir : soft\avsfile\)
and the latest besweet v1.5b19 (dir : softs\besweet\)

and it's start encode :)

Ps: in final release i will try to made a more light version of millestone.

Bye.

deXtoRious

5th August 2003, 13:45

There is a problem with AutoRV9, it won't open a d2v made from a vob with a size of over 4 gigabytes. Is it possible to somehow work around this? If not, then what can I use to split the vob?

Dark-Cracker

5th August 2003, 18:57

what is the exact error msg autorv9 show u ?
whith which tool have u made your .d2v ?

are u in FAT32 , or NTFS ? in the ripper option there is the possibility to rip .vob file by part of 1 Gb

Bye.

deXtoRious

5th August 2003, 20:35

The error is: "Evaluate: Unrecognised Exception! (c:\tempAVS.avs, Line 3). I have made my d2v with DVD2AVI 1.76. The VOB is on an NTFS drive, but AutoRV9 is on a FAT32 drive. I know about the possibility to split during ripping, but unfortunately the DVD is not available to me right now.

Just in case you need it, here is TempAVS.avs:

# !!! DO NOT EDIT MANUALLY THIS FILE !!!
LoadPlugin ("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoRV9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
MPEG2Source ("E:\Video\DVD\Basic\basic.d2v")
Tweak(bright=0,hue=0,sat=1,cont=1)
ConvertToRGB32()

Can this problem be solved?

Rasi

6th August 2003, 01:32

hmm... i added 2 audio files, which were nicely converted to wavs and encoded to ra.

but it didnt mux the audio files with the video stream... is this a bug probably?

and even more important, how can i mux it afterwards? :P

ah and another thing.. i chose 64kbps in audio bitrate tab, but it encoded the files in 96kbps...

i was using 1.3b3....

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 08:49

@deXtoRious
i can't do nothing i think it's a restriction of the FAT32 perhaps should u post a msg in the avisynth section there is perhaps a way (using a new avisynth or mpeg2dec3 dll file) to bypass this limitation. but in anny case keep in your dvd ripper the split in 1gb part option.

@Rasi
.rmvb structure can't support 2 audio streams u need to encode them separately (in .rm file) and use some .smil file to launch the video + the selected audio stream. i will check for this possible bug for the audio bitrate.

Bye.

Valky

6th August 2003, 11:01

I tried to do exactly same thing. I encoded my avs-input and used 2 audio streams. Afterwards I got now 2 nice rm-files and smil-files too, but my video was only 25kb so that was pretty useless night.

I tried to convert with high EHQ and noisy high action scenes.

And one more thing..is there any point to use avs-input, course endoder overrides all my filters in it anyway and writes it's own scripts with different resizer and no filters at all?

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 12:43

be sure u have the latest beta4 (i have reupload it a few hours ago because a filter addgrain.dll was missing and needed for the noisehightmotion). i think this will solve your problem.
i can redo your encode without audio and keeping your already encoded audio .rm file.

u can select .avs input , else edit your .avs file only once your have crop/resize else the new script will overwritte the old.

sorry again :)
Bye.

deXtoRious

6th August 2003, 14:03

@Dark-Cracker

Well, thanks for trying...:(

SocketA

6th August 2003, 18:10

@Dark-Cracker

Great program you have made.
I only have one small problem with it :D

I have quite a lot of MPEG2 files that have the size 480x576 (4:3 PAL 25fps interlaced).

I have tried to use the 4:3 aspect ratio, but the final RM file comes out with black borders on the sides of the picture.

If I use the 1:1 aspect ratio and make a 720x576 or a 704x576 RM video, it comes out like it should (aspect wise 4:3), But if I make it full screen in RealPlayer, the video get's a black border around the whole video :(

If I make a 384x288 video with a aspect ratio of 1:1 it comes out ok, no black borders, but at that size the picture has lost to much detail.

Help!

SocketA

6th August 2003, 20:44

I have been making some more videos and it seems to be a problem with RealPlayer and not AutoRV9.

Guess we need a "fit-to-fullscreen" aspect in RealPlayer, like ZoomPlayer has, otherwise I don't see how a 720x576 or 480x576 PAL 4:3 would fit a PC monitor.

I just tryed to make a 768x576 sized video, but I couldn't get AutoRV9 to go that high :(

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 20:56

u cant go upper because avisynth doesn't support u use resize filter to upper ouput resolution than input resolution.

SocketA

6th August 2003, 21:08

Huh? :confused:

Are you saying that I can't resize from small to big ?

AviSynth can resize from something like 352x288 to 720x576 easy...

karl_lillevold

6th August 2003, 21:33

@SocketA: encoding 480x576 to playback on a full-screen in RealOne (or RealPlayer) is possible, but maybe a little tricky in existing GUI front-ends. You have to use the same technique as for anamorphic encoding, that is tell producer to resize to 720x576, while its input is 480x576. Producer will then not actually resize, but encode at 480x576, and place a flag in the bitstream such that the player will stretch from 480x576 to 720x576 on playback. I am not sure how to achieve this in AutoRV9, maybe it's possible with its anamorphic feature. I might give it a try later.

EDIT: you do not want to resize up /before/ Producer, since it will then have to encode at higher resolution than the source, which is less efficient.

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 21:36

hum i think it was inpossible with the old avisynth now u can resize upper without problems i will see to remove my restriction. even i think resize upper will only decrease quality and increase bits needed.

++

SocketA

6th August 2003, 22:27

@karl_lillevold

I have just tried doing what you just said and it seems to work perfect :)
I did use AutoRV9 some of the way (needed it to make the audience and avs file).
Then I just edited the AVS file to NOT resize and cut, and then I run the same command line as AutoRV9 would, but with the added switch '-rs 768x576'

Seems to work nicely :D

BTW : I'm using RealOne Player, not the 'old' RealPlayer :o

@Dark-Cracker

I guess a little bit more freedom in your program would be nice :D
When I select the 1:1 aspect ratio, I can't select anamorphic encoding.
How about an expert mode :p

Dark-Cracker

7th August 2003, 00:12

@SocketA
héhé i try to find a middle beetween the automatisation and the manual tweaking :) not always easy :) :) :)

i think i will add the possibility to enter manual values in anamorphic if u select 1:1 aspect ratio.

Bye.

ookzDVD

7th August 2003, 03:03

@DC,

Please comfirm me about :
the latest AutoRV9 is not need to install karl's er4.dll ?
correct ?

Just use the original Producer 9.2 M5 ?

PS.
My 2 latest encoding with your AutoRv9 always hit 702Mb,
over Nero's 80:00 mins limit which is not burnable on
my old CD-RW which not support the overburn yet.
So is that possible to lower it to 701Mb or 700Mb?

Thank you.

karl_lillevold

7th August 2003, 03:16

@ookzDVD: if you don't mind me answering...

Correct, DC's latest AutoRV9 uses the new method to enable EHQ, so a corrected DLL is not necessary.

Filesize: I have seen the filesizes tend to be 2-3 MB too large, so I would recommend changing to 695 MB as target filesize.

Dark-Cracker

7th August 2003, 09:26

karl was (as always :) ) right.

for the filesize normally u can burn 703 mb on a cdr if my memory was right. but i think u can try to split the last minute (using rmeditor -i "c:\input.rmvb" -o "c:\splitted.rmvb -e XX:XX:XX.XXX ) and split the end credits i think it's the only solution.

i will try to improve the overhead calculation to avoid such problems.

Bye.

ookzDVD

8th August 2003, 03:24

@karl,
Thank you for your confirmation ;)

@DC,
please, I found that lowering the target to 695Mb sometimes
impact the result too hard :(

kastro68

8th August 2003, 04:59

Hi,

I'm new to anamorphic encoding with rv9 and was wondering what resolution you recommend producer resize to.

For instance, should I set the output resolution to my desktop resolution?

And would anamorphic resize be recommended in all instances, or only when the bits per pixel is greater than some threshold, say 0.13 for instance.

Cheers,

I'm still not sure how anamorphic resize will affect tv output, but I guess I'll find out in a couple of hours.

Dark-Cracker

8th August 2003, 08:59

hi,

anamorphic resolution is automaticly calculated by autorv9 based on your ratio selection . i have added a faked anamorphic mode (first resize lower the clip in avisynth and after ask at producer to strech the clip (allow to made some anamorphic encode at *common* resolution , it's surely better to use it if u want use tv output).

my anamorphic mode can be used at each instance , for normal anamorphic (produce more hight resolution) u need i think at last 0.15 bits/pix but it depend also of the compressibility of your movie. work well for 1H30 movie at 700 Mb.

any comment on tv output result are welcome :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

8th August 2003, 20:23

hi,

i have made a little update (overwrite old file) :

url:
----
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b4.5.zip

change log :
--------------
- fix the bitrate problem
- fix some refresh problems (in the autocrop, or ratio values)
- add DTS support

i have added the dts support, and some tests are welcome.

how to made these tests :

METHODE 1)

download a DTS trailer here :
http://www.cinenow.com/us/vobtrailer.php3

use DVD2AVI v1.77.x to extract the .dts file and made the .d2v
and start an normal encode.

METHODE 2)

create this .avs file
--------------- start -------------
blankclip(length=359,width=300,height=50,fps=25).subtitle("pulpfiction sample")
---------------- end ------------

save on your hard disk this .dts sample :

http://mitglied.lycos.de/stefanstrobl/download.htm
(click on : "for len0x: download your dts sample ...")

COMMON PART :

open in autorv9 .avs/.d2v file, select for the audio stream the .dts file,select output size , and start some tests for stereo or multichannel output. :)

post a msg if this have succeded or failed. of course a little description of the error or of the result is welcome. :)

BYe.

Dark-Cracker

11th August 2003, 23:48

hi,

another little update :)

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b5.zip

- fixed 100% the bitrate problem :)
- improve systray function
- possibility to change priority on the fly (dblclick on systray icon)
- fix possible problem with DTS and "force 6ch" option
- improve "force 6 ch" audio quality
- add IDTC param for mpeg2dec3.dll

PS: u need to have a registered Windvd platinum (upper than v4.5) software else u will obtain a silent audio stream.

i also want to say a big great at the 5 people who have made some tests for the DTS (apparently people on this forum are less motivated).

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

14th August 2003, 14:38

quick update :

(stable version)
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b5.5.zip

OR

(alpha)
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3_alpha.zip

Search Translator :

i will add multilanguage support but i search some people interested and motivated to translate Autorv9 (Autodub later).
if u are interested post a msg with your name,email, and language in this topic :

http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=380

or directely in this thread .

Ps: i particulary search people using non european alphabet (russian or chinese or japanese people are welcome)

Bye.

Sirber

17th August 2003, 03:18

# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,0,0,720,480)
#
# RESIZING
# AnaMorphic Resize (Do not Edit These Values)
# Real Resize Values : Width X Height ( 720 X 528 )
Video=LanczosResize(Video,792,528)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
Video=Limiter(Video)

Is that normal for anamorphic resize? Source is 4:3... Looks like a double resize. One by AVIsynth with 1.5 AR, then one in producer, with 1.36 AR. I don't get it :confused:

Sirber

17th August 2003, 03:41

hum...

Now I can't start it. I get "Dépassement de capacité". I can access all tabs, and all labels are blank. :D

[edit]

I found settings.cfg that was confusing AutoRV9:

[IDCT]
NUM=1
[Resize]
INDEX=6
[ANAMORPHIC]
USE=1
[ANAMAORPHIC]
KEEPCROP=0
[VIDEO]
PASSMODE=3
VIDEOMODE=1
EHQLEVEL=2
HIGHTMOTION=0

Dark-Cracker

17th August 2003, 04:34

hum

could u say me which resolution input was your file ? (try to explain me exactely how to reproduce this situation).

have u select option "keep cropped resolution" ?

yes u need to delete your old settings.cfg (conflict beetween old alpha version and new alpha version :) )

Bye.

Sirber

17th August 2003, 04:59

-Input-
Rez: 720x480
Format: 4:3

-Output-
Rez: 720x528
AR: 1.3
Type: Vertical Anamorphic

How it went bad:
1) Load D2V
2) in video tab, set NTSC, 4:3
you'll get rez: 720x528.
3) choose Anamorphic
you'll get rez: 792x528 :(

Problem:
1) Resize in AVISynth to a wierd rez
2) Resize in Producer for correct AR

Expected result:
AVIsynth:
Input: 720x480
Output: 720x480

Producer:
Input: 720x480
Output: 720x528 (anamorphic)

I hope this will help :)

Dark-Cracker

19th August 2003, 20:51

hi,

@ Sirber
could u try this version ?

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3_alpha.zip

changelog :
-----------
- save the last settings used (in setting.cfg)
- improve the anamorphic calculation.
- add basic multilanguage (german, and spanish)
if u are interested to made a translation, post a msg here : http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=380 with your name, email and language.

now it automaticly select beetween anamorphic vertical or horizontal.

(i think however the option "keep cropped resolution" should failed on NTSC 4/3 material).

all tests are welcomes. if someone could try to check if the value are corrects for 16/9 and 4/3 and for PAL or NTSC country.

Thank u bye :)

PS: there is sometimes a problem of refresh in anamorphic value for the value if u change ratio or country (simply check/uncheck the tickbox this will give u the correct numbers).

PS2: i think the beta 5.6 will be out friday and the next week ( the 1st september autorv9 v1.3 final will be out).

to do list : finish multilanguage support, improve the avisynth filters used , perhaps an help file.

this time it's really the end of the post :)
Bye.

Valky

22nd August 2003, 03:55

Does your software also support 'ä' and 'ö'?

I am from Finland and I just browsed through your language-file and that is the reason why I asked this. Is this translating scheduled?

Dark-Cracker

22nd August 2003, 09:55

i am working on a UTF-8 (unicode) support :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59879

but apparently there is a problem in my tool, it doesn't correctely encode character like 'ö' but correctely character like 'ä' apparently there is a problem when it return the unicode value for a character, i will try to made some searchs and say u when it's fixed.

Bye.

Soulhunter

24th August 2003, 20:59

I tryed AutoRV9 out this weekend, and it workd for the first 3 encodes, but now I got this error message when I start the app...

--------------------------
Lafzeitfehler '6':
Überlauf
--------------------------

In english it should be something like this...

--------------------------
Runtime-error '6':
Overflow
--------------------------

After click this message away, AutoRv9 starts but I can not do anything (e.g. select input)

I didnt intall anything else between... Before it was runnig !
Ive tryed to reinstall the app... But its still not working !

My system : WinME/DX9b/AviSynth2.5/Newest version of AutoRV9+Update/RealOnePlayer V2 Gold

I used exact the same input... (no changes in source/AVS) :confused: :confused: :confused:

Any suggestions ???

Bye

Dark-Cracker

24th August 2003, 21:37

delete the file "settings.cfg" in the root directory of autorv9 u have surely not the new alpha version (redownload it i sometimes update the archive without posting a new msg ).

normaly this will solve your problem. post a msg with the result.

Bye.

Soulhunter

25th August 2003, 20:46

My vesion was AutoRV9_v1.3b3 (name of the zip) and the update was v1.3b 5.5

I've downloaded it 3 days ago IIRC...

But deleting the "settings.cfg" solve the first problem... But got a new one !

Now the app starts without the runtime error "6" :)

But when I load the AVS now AutoRV9 crashes and I get this message... :(

AUTORV9 verursachte einen Fehler durch eine ungültige Seite
in Modul <Unbekannt> bei c174:0625f6c0.
Register:
EAX=02064ae0 CS=018f EIP=0625f6c0 EFLGS=00210202
EBX=00000000 SS=0197 ESP=006cf1e0 EBP=006cf2a8
ECX=063b0ab0 DS=0197 ESI=02060440 FS=2d87
EDX=02060440 ES=0197 EDI=02064b50 GS=0000
Bytes bei CS:EIP:

Stapelwerte:
02bea135 063b0ab0 02060440 00000000 02060440 660243f3 02060440 02060468 006cf224 02c5cbca 00000000 02be9fc8 020604f0 02bef3b3 00000001 020604f0

Damn... !!! I've only 6 days free time left, and I want finish my testings before... :(

(So far... My first impression after the first 3 encodes was... WOW !!!)

I'll try to download the beta again...

[PS: The AVS plays fine in VDub n' MediaPlayer... ;)]

Bye

Soulhunter

25th August 2003, 21:18

Its done...

Now I tryed the re-downloaded version+update...
But the problem is still the same... :(

Bye

Dark-Cracker

25th August 2003, 22:19

hum strange what is your OS ?
try only the beta3 version.

what is your input file ? an .avs file ? if yes try to rename the avisyntherror.dll in avisyntherror.dll.old it's perhaps my c++ dll who have some problem to open this .avs , generaly VB doesn't produce such error.

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

26th August 2003, 00:11

Hi,

another little update before a final version soon :)

still here :
-------------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3_alpha.zip

changelog :
-----------
- fix some problem with the bitrate calc and 2 audio streams.
- improve overhead calculation for a more accurate final size.
- fix problem with chapters.
- improve anamorphic resize.
- store the latest encoding settings in a file ("settings.cfg")
- add multilanguage support (french,english, italian, german, turkish, chinese, spanish).

a really big thanks for my translators :) . thank u very much for your work and your motivations :)

Name : Wiflye81, Devilman, mao, crypton, Reiko .. and all the other who have still working on translations.

Bye.

ookzDVD

26th August 2003, 03:13

@DC,

I have a little bit trouble with Auto-Crop,
sometimes if I reset the crop the Auto-Crop is not working,
it just work for the first time.

Dark-Cracker

26th August 2003, 09:15

i will try to find and fix this bug but if u could explain me at 100% how to reproduce this bug i will fix it for sure :)

Bye.

Soulhunter

26th August 2003, 23:21

Hi again...

My OS...? WinMe...! (My first post... ;))

And yes, my input is a AVS...
But Ive also tryed to open the *.d2v file... This causes the same crash ! :confused:

And the beta without the update does same...

Renameing the avisyntherror.dll... I get a warning that this file is not found... And it crashes too ! :confused

Ive also downloaded the new zip... But no change... :(

Im a bit confused... Because the app worked well for my first 3 encodes...
I really didnt changed anything since that time... :confused:

Bye

ookzDVD

27th August 2003, 03:02

@DC,

I think your latest Alpha already fix the auto-crop problem
on my sysetm.

Thank you anyway.

deXtoRious

27th August 2003, 11:48

Dark-Cracker, I've got a question. Is your source code available/going to be available?

Dark-Cracker

27th August 2003, 12:46

@SoulHunter

try to reinstall the vb6runtime, but i have no idear why u have this problem , perhaps u have install a software who have corrupt a vb .dll runtime. try on another computer. (hum it's perhaps time to reinstall windows :) )

@ookzDVD
yes i think this bug is fixed :) if u find another post a msg with the step to reproduce it at 100%

@deXtoRious
no source code (yet) after a bad experience with a concurrent i have re-close the source. but helixcommunity seems interested perhaps i will give them the source, and for sure i will open source if i must a day stop to develop this project.

Bye.

alx

27th August 2003, 13:12

Hi DC, thanks for your terrific program
I´m a comletly newbie in rv9 arena right now.
I´ve made my second encode last night and i want to make a question.......i´ve made American Beauty with 2 audio tracks and ending credits.............the problem was autorv9 joined final video+credits, but not the 2 audio streams.........now i got one final .rmvb file with video+credits (1.rmvb) and two .rm files with audio (1_stream.rm and 2_stream.rm).......how can i join this 3 files???
I´m using Autorv9_v1.3b5.5.
Thanks a lot for your time and effort, and i apologize because my poor english.
Alx

Dark-Cracker

27th August 2003, 13:22

hi,

no problem for your poor english mine is more crap :)

in fact u can't mux 2 audio stream in a .rmvb container u need to use the .smil file (normaly generated by autorv9) to launch the video and the audio in the same time. it's the only way.

but if u want u could try matroska container (.mkv) to store the 2 audio .rm file and video .rmvb file (and even subtitle) in the same container :

read this thread it's my little tool to made this mux automaticly :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57318

else media player classic and realone support .smil file.

Bye.

ookzDVD

28th August 2003, 03:09

@DC,

The status window is somehow can't be scrolled right
the encoding status message can't displayed full.

Big_Berny

28th August 2003, 11:12

I have a big problem! I have a movie which I captured before week. But when I try to opoen it with AutoRV9 (over a .avs-file) it shows not the correct movie-information:
It shows 376x272 instead of 368x272
FPS 24 instead of FPS 25
240Frames instead of 33318Frames

I don't know why. I used the huffyuv-codec to capture, and with all the other captured movies I don't have this problem and they are captured exactly the same way. GSpot and other utilities show the correct informations. I tried to reencode the movie (also with huffyuv, so there should be no loss), because I thought of a little problem in the header or so, but it didn't solve the problem!

Any answers?
Big_Berny

Dark-Cracker

28th August 2003, 12:46

@ookzDVD
yes this have been fixed wait the next beta (6) released surely this night :)

@big_berny
strange, could u open this .avs file in media player and say me what informations it display u when u click on property.
normaly autorv9 use the same API to get informations on the .avs file.

if it show i the correct informations plz try to split a little sample (around 1 mb) and host me this file in order i made some tests.

Bye.

CruNcher

28th August 2003, 13:57

@ Big_Berny

240Frames instead of 33318Frames

thats the frame count of an error message look in the video what the error is or just open the avs with a player :)

Big_Berny

28th August 2003, 17:09

Vrey strang! I can open/view the avs-file with the MediaPlayer and Virtualdub. I can't find the problem.
If I open the avs-file in AutoRV9 and I click on "manual crop" (for the preview) I see this message:
"Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(F:\temp1\simpsons.AVS, line 1) (that's: AVISource("F:\temp1\simpsons1.avi"))
(c:\TempAVS.avs, line 2) (that's: Import ("F:\temp1\simpsons.AVS").ConvertToYV12())

With my second file which is in f:\temp2 I don't have this problem but I use "exactly" the same .avs!
Big_Berny

Dark-Cracker

28th August 2003, 18:30

try to set :

AVISource("F:\temp1\simpsons1.avi",false)

in your "simpsons.avs" file to disable audio, there is sometimes a bug with Avisynth and Import function.

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

28th August 2003, 21:31

Hi,

i have made the last beta before final release in few days :) if u find bugs report them , and explain me how to reproduce it at 100%

it come bundle with :

- Light version of MilleStone 6
- Latest Mpeg2dec3.dll (v1.10)
- Latest Besweet (v1.5b20)
- Latest Avisynth 2.5.2 (build 20/08/03)

added in the package a "Real Audio Pack" to install all dll and registry key to enable the 5.1 surround sound in MPC or RealOne.

Bye.

URL (6 MB) :
---------------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b6.zip

change log :
--------------
- improve loggin (create xxx_LogFile.log)
- fix problems with "settings.cfg"
- delete tempory .wav files
- add a speed test
- improve Hight Motion filtering
- improve finale file size calculation
- improve .smil file
- multilanguage support
- fixed all bugs reported

All bug report/suggestions are welcome !

Greet : to "mf" for his avisynth script concept used in Hight Motion option.

Bye.

Soulhunter

29th August 2003, 00:43

Have Installed the new version... (with vb-runtime)

But still the same error... Damn !!!

I think youre right Dark-Cracker... Maybe Ive to do a complete reinstall of my OS ! But I have still about 30GB Data on my HD, that I have to backup before... :(

[PS: In the Insatller, Ive read AviSynth2.06 ??? ;)]

Bye

Lobuz

29th August 2003, 01:19

Whay I can't turn off all that filter stuff which is put in AVS file? If I have own avs file with resize etc it is processed one more time with default settings. I can only delet it in AVS script. It's a little unhandy.

Regards
Lobuz

ookzDVD

29th August 2003, 11:20

@DC,

the Installer said AVISynth 2.06 not 2.5.2.

superdump

29th August 2003, 11:33

I agree with Lobuz, a filter bypass method would be much appreciated by people who manually script things.

I would like to add that some tooltips saying what each of the options does would be much appreciated. For example for the "Hightmotion" option you could write something like "Detects the amount of motion and adds grain accordingly to give a better looking image" and then point people to the hightmotion.avs. For the medium fluxsmoothing you could put something like "Smooths both the 2D image and along the temporal axis. [FluxSmooth(7,5)]" (if that is the correct setting of course).

The logging is coming along nicely but the "always on top" check box is a bit slow to respond.

Otherwise, keep up the good work! :)

EDIT: I also noticed that Avisynth 2.xx was stated in the installer and not 2.52 but forgot.

Dark-Cracker

29th August 2003, 13:00

hi,

yes i have forget to change the version number in the install nsis script, but it install the right avisynth.dll v2.5.2 :)

@Lobuz
normaly avisynth bypass automaticly resize if resized resolution=input resolution. but i must improve avisynth part for final release (add DGbob ...etc).

@superdump
u must wait the next version for tooltips , actually english language is not my mother language and i have not enought time to add this feature :)

Bye.

superdump

29th August 2003, 13:10

DarkCracker: OK, fair enough. Something appears to be wrong with either joining the main movie and credits and muxing in the audio or it's just deleting the output. I left 1.3b6 doing some futurama episodes overnight and none of the outputs are present.

Aha! I think I've just stumbled across the problem at the bottom of the log...

Join Movie + Credits :

Log File: c:\AutoRV9_Join.log
Input File 1: C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC6\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_Movie.rmvb
Input File 2: C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC6\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_Credit.rmvb
Output File: C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC2\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1.rmvb

Error: Cannot paste files because the video streams in one file do not match the video streams in another file.
***********************************************

Why is this happening? I've noticed that
# AUDIO SOURCE
Audio = WavSource("C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC2\Stream1.wav")
#
# COMBINE VIDEO + AUDIO
Video=AudioDub(Video,Audio)

is in both the credits avs script and the movie avs script. Is this correct? Does it trim the audio according to the frame number you've trimmed to in your avisynth script? If not, I think that could be the problem.

Dark-Cracker

29th August 2003, 14:48

@superdump

could u explain me more what settings u have used for your encode (1 or 2 audio stream, which settings for the audio ? ...etc..)? i will try to reproduce bug.

PS: which OS have u ? there is some problem under win98 and rmeditor.

Bye.

superdump

29th August 2003, 16:14

1 audio stream stereo ac3 at 192kbps.

Azid settings:
dialogue normalisation, LFE to LR -3db, output stereo, normal dynamic compression, normalise to 100%

General audio settings:
channels mode stereo, bitrate 44kbps, boost 2 0.97 LigH, Delay -80ms, force 44100Hz, Gain none.

Then I added the stream.

I'm running XP. Anything other information that might help?

alx

30th August 2003, 06:45

Sorry DC, but i just downloaded the program you made to join .rmvb files with .rm and .srt into a matroska container, followed all the instructions you gave to me, but when i press the RUN button, a message appears saying "Error nº : 91 - Description : Variable objet ou variable bloc with non define"....
I have installed your VB6 runtime pack, and register all the Gabest filters and of course copyed to the system32 dir.
I hope you could gave me some ideas
Really thanks
Ale

BTW, with your program can i join .rmvb files with .mp3 ones?
Thanks a lot

ookzDVD

30th August 2003, 07:37

@DC,

I just try the latest one with Producer M6,
the encoding speed is too slow, do you change any setting
in the .rpad ?
beta5.6 & M5 work faster with the same setting.

or it's the M5 -> M6 problem ?

Big_Berny

30th August 2003, 12:47

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
try to set :

AVISource("F:\temp1\simpsons1.avi",false)

in your "simpsons.avs" file to disable audio, there is sometimes a bug with Avisynth and Import function.

Bye.

There is no audio-stream!

Dark-Cracker

30th August 2003, 13:41

Hi everybody,

i wich u a good day :) i just wake up and i will try to answer your questions :)

@superdum
apparently realnetwork have made some changes on the rmeditor , and there is some problem to join file who have different settings (encoding mode ..etc) a tempory solution is to use the rmto3260.dll from the Milestone 5. i will include it in the next release :)

@alx
if u have this error it's because it doesn't find a dshow filter.
u can download here a pack made by "MWI prod" for my tool.

http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=103

(but u need also have install the oggDs filter)
hope this will solve your problems.

@ookzDVD
normaly there shouldn't have speed differences, but perhaps in M6 they have made some changes on the EHQ and perhaps this slowdown the encode. i have added a "Speed Test" button at the "output" tab, u enter a % of your movie to encode and it will calculate the avg. FPS and give an estimation for the estimated time to encode the whole movie.

@Big_Berny
i give this tips because once for me, it have save the bug in the import function.

Bye.

Bye.

superdump

30th August 2003, 14:22

OK, thanks DarkCracker. I don't suppose you could post a link to the old version could you?

EDIT: Never mind. I've obtained the dll from elsewhere. :)

karl_lillevold

30th August 2003, 17:12

Originally posted by ookzDVD

or it's the M5 -> M6 problem ?
In fact, M6 is slightly faster than M5, with encodingComplexity=very-high, because I tweaked the EHQ levels. Remember, 'very-high' used to correspond to 85, higher than my recommended 80 level. So now 85 = 80. Also, in M6, the old method*) to set EHQ now again works, without my custom DLL. *):The old method is encoderComplexity=<number> in codecProperties, as well as registry key.

To double-check I ran producer.exe on the command line:

producer -i <testfile.avs> -am music -ad c:\autorv9_movie.rpad -lc e,d

and timed it. testfile.avs is 500 frames 704x304 MPEG-2 source.
M6: 1min 17sec
M5: 1min 24sec

So there is nothing wrong with the speed in M6 by itself. I have not yet tried the latest AutoRV9 with it. In order to help find out what/if there is a problem you can also run producer on the cmd line to try to isolate the problem. Other methods of verification includes the <calcPSNR> parameter (use search) which will include in the rv9log.txt file the actual encoderComplexity level. Thanks.

superdump

30th August 2003, 21:07

Karl: What complexity levels did you use for that little test? Both 80? Or both very-high? What I'm asking is, is the speed difference due to optimisations in the new milestone or because one is using EHQ at level 85 and the other at 80?

Also, I keep seeing bits and pieces which contradict each other, so I'd like to ask straight out. Does RV9 use any filtering whether it's in loop or not? If so what filtering is used?

Sirber

30th August 2003, 23:55

RV9 uses in-loop filtering at encoding time, and no filtering on decoding.

superdump

31st August 2003, 00:04

So what does the in loop filtering do? Smoothing?

deXtoRious

31st August 2003, 23:05

Well, this is actually the first version of AutoRV9 that ran perfectly from the first time I started it! And that small window on the left you've added which displays a mini-log i MOST helpful when doing video tests ;)

alx

1st September 2003, 04:45

DC: Thanks a lot for all your help and your wonderful program!!!
Mmmmmmm, i´ve been thinking......its not possible to do the same thing as with the ending credits, to the starting credits??? The logo of WB, Paramount and the titles of the movie at the beginin??? Just an idea.

karl_lillevold: Thanks to you and all the development team. You are doing a terrific work with rv9.
Maybe you could answer me one question.......the other day i start doing LOTR-The Two Towers with AutoRV9, 2 passes vbr, but after 10 hours, when the analisys ends, and the real code start, 1 or 2 hours from the analysis, i had a problem with the power supply and the machine shutdown, so i lost 12 hours, because Producer does not generate a log file, like "video.stats" in Xvid.......are you planning to make something like this in future releases??? i think it could make things easier to us, not only because of problems like i had, but doing LOTR and "lost" my machine for about 20 hours don´t think it´s a good idea..........usually with Xvid i make 1st. pass one night, and the 2nd. pass in the next night while i´m sleeping.
Or are you planning something new about???

Anyway, keep doing the good work with RV9
Sincerally
A RV9 FAN :)
Alx

PD. My apologies for my horrible english.....my mother tongue is spanish

karl_lillevold

2nd September 2003, 00:33

@superdump: the difference in speed is due to the (previous) difference between 80 and 85. In order to get quality 85 with M6, you now have to use 90. However, the improvement in quality from 80 to 90 is not worth the extra time for now.

Yes, RV9 has an adaptive advanced in-loop filter, specifically designed to remove block edges before using the reconstructed frame in the prediction loop. Therefore the encoder and decoder filters have to match 100%, and the filtering strength can not be adjusted on the decoder side. It is not the same filter as in H.264, but the principle is the same in both, if you are looking for technical background on the subject. Specifically, one feature RealNetworks proposed to be included in H.264, was a tiny amount of pre-determined dither across filtered block boundaries, because on large (LCD, plasma, DLP) screens, a difference of just '1' in luminance or chrominance level is visible. However, we did not succeed, and the H.264 in-loop filter does not have this feature.

@alx: thanks! that's a very good suggestion. We have already considered this option, and it may be included in Producer 9.3, but not in 9.2, since it requires quite a few producer changes. One problem is that a current requirement is that the two passes are run with the exact same parameters, including bitrate, resizers, pre-filters. If any of those are accidentally changed, the 2nd pass would be messed up, usually resulting in too small filesize.

alx

2nd September 2003, 04:04

Karl, usually with Xvid i make the 1st pass in the first night and see with a Q=2 maximun filesize........let´s say that it is 750 mb. then i go for a 1CD rip in my 2nd pass.
If in the 1st. pass filesize is (for ex.) 1800mb. obviously i consider a 2CD rip or 3CD rip.
The only thing that i change is the final size for the 2nd. pass..........
Anyway, it was just an idea that normally save to do the 1st pass 2 times.
Thanks a lot for your work and time to answer my "newbies" questions.
Alx

superdump

2nd September 2003, 11:05

Thanks for the reply Karl, interesting stuff. I thought that would be the main reason for the speed difference. :D Nevertheless, as everyone keeps saying, keep up the good work.

ookzDVD

3rd September 2003, 02:54

@karl_lillevold,

Thank you for the test,
I'll try to check on my system.

alx

3rd September 2003, 05:30

Karl, sorry to bother you with another question.........aren´t you planning to add support in the .rmvb container to put more audio streams???. Usually i like to make backup of dvd´s with the original track and the track in my language.
My firsts experiments with matroska wasn´t very good.
Thanks
Alx

karl_lillevold

3rd September 2003, 05:43

@alx: no, I don't think this feature is being planned. it would have worked, since there is support for multiple streams in the RM file format. The problem is that no one has used the feature, because there is no mechanism to switch streams on playback, and there is also no tool to create such a stream. In order to have multiple languages in RM, you currently need to use SMIL and multiple files.

On the topic of Matroska, that has worked well for me, after a few RM bugs were fixed, but I have not yet tried multiple languages, just merging one audio track with a video track and adding subtitles. If you have problems getting it to work, my experience is that the Matroska developers are very eager to fix any problems you have to report, especially if you have an easy repro case.

ookzDVD

4th September 2003, 06:29

@karl_lillevold,

I just replace the rv9_light from the autorv9 (beta 5),
from ML5 to ML6 and I have speed problem, the ML6 is
somehow slower compared with ML5 with the same audience file.
I will provide the log later.
Thank you.

karl_lillevold

4th September 2003, 07:05

@ookzDVD: very strange. Like I wrote, I do not have this problem on my system, and I do not understand what could be wrong. Maybe for some reason you were never actually using EHQ in M5... I will see how reasonable your encoding speed is when you provide the logs. Also remember to include your main system specs. A few things you can look into:

1) check that producer.exe in both cases uses 80-90% of the CPU in task manager. Maybe in one case it runs at IDLE and some other app is using all the CPU cycles.

2) check that you do not have any registry keys to over-ride the encoding complexity. This is in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\RealNetworks\RV9

3) enable calcPSNR with this reg file (http://www.lillevold.com/files/calcPSNR.reg), and check that in both cases (M5 and M6), the rv9log.txt file starts with "cpu_scal: 85". rv9log.txt is appended to, so check the entry that corresponds to your latest main encode. Remember to disable this after testing, by removing the key with regedit. Same location as above.

ookzDVD

5th September 2003, 10:35

@karl_lillevold,

Here is the log file for both ML5 and ML6.

http://www.japati.com/mib_2_LogFile_ml5.txt
http://www.japati.com/mib_2_LogFile_ml6.txt

I hope you could find something from the logs.

PS. I only add registry with EHQ reg patch.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

5th September 2003, 15:55

@ookzDVD

avoid to use registry patch for EHQ level. let autorv9 add it in the audience.

it seems to me M5 doesn't take care for the registry patch while M6 use in priority the registry patch.

i think karl wait the rv9log.txt file not the autorv9 log file :) because in rv9log.txt u can see the encoder complexity.

PS: do u know in beta 6 u have a "speed test" option ?

Bye.

karl_lillevold

5th September 2003, 20:18

@ookzDVD: i think the problem is simply that you did not actually use EHQ with Milestone 5, and the slower speed with Milestone 6 is that you are now (finally) encoding with EHQ. The registry method to enable EHQ never worked with Milestone 5, unless you correctly replaced the encoder DLL, like I described here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196).

This is good news. Sorry it is slower though, but all the CPU cycles are spent wisely to obtain better video quality, I assure you.

olorin

6th September 2003, 11:29

Hi

I really like RV9 and would like to use it. I tried to encode Naked gun 33 1/3 with AutoRV9b6, using lower quality for credits. However, AutoRV9 was not able to join the two files. Neither was I afterwards using AVI/MPEG/RM/WMW joiner 4.48. The two files both play fine in RealOne and MPC (though jerky playback in both). Here is the log file, hopefully the cause of the problem can be found there. Thanks in advance.

http://www.direktdemokrati.net/Nakedgun33_LogFile.txt

olorin

karl_lillevold

6th September 2003, 17:14

@olorin: This is caused by a change in rmeditor in Milestone 6, where it will not merge files with a different maxBitrate. Here is what you need to do to get around that, until AutoRV9 1.3 final comes out.

1) Find a copy of an older AutoRV9, or Producer Milestone 5.
2) find the old rmto3260.dll in producer's tools folder. In AutoRV9 this is in Softs\Rp9_Light\tools
3) Goto the same folder in the new AutoRV9.
4) replace its rmto3260.dll (6.0.11.434) with the old one (in my case v 6.0.11.433)

now you can merge the files you just encoded manually:

5) open cmd line window, cd to AutoRV9\softs\Rp9_Light
6) then type

rmeditor -i <main_file.rmvb> -i <credits_file.rmvb> -o <final.rmvb>

Also, since you just replaced rmto3260.dll, the next time you encode something like this, it will merge just fine.

Sirber

6th September 2003, 18:24

Why can't we do that anymore? Merge 2 files with 2 different maxBitrate?

karl_lillevold

6th September 2003, 19:26

https://helix-dna.helixcommunity.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=288

Dr Satan

7th September 2003, 00:00

I'm getting some strange results from the compresability check. It produces results of 240%+ when it obviously should be producing something sub 100%. Also, when checking the comp check output file, many frames are missing.

I know it only encodes 5% of the film, but at points it only runs at about 3fps, from a 25fps source.

hubereevez

7th September 2003, 20:26

i made a few compcheck......
It seems that they're not very accurate.....
But I don't exactly know....dark?
hubhub

Dark-Cracker

8th September 2003, 00:29

hi,

sorry i have take 2 days of holidays :)

for the compressibility test, in fact rv9 doesn't work exactely like other codecs, in other codec it made a first pass was made at quantizer 2 (=quality 100%) and adjust the bitrate curve to obtain the desired file size.

a basic explication :

HOW A COMPRESSIBILITY TEST WORK :
---------------------------------

the compressibility test work like this : it select 14 frames each 280 frames. to get 5 % of the movie. after u encode it at max quality.
and u analyse the obtained file. u get the size of this compressibility sample by adding each frame size but skipping for each packets (our 14 frames lenght) the first frame and the last frame, because there is an virtual scene change beetween each packets and the codec add a keyframe and a keyframe is much bigger than a normal frame. once u have the size of 5% of the movie u can estimated it for the full movie. and the % of compressibility is the ratio beetween the desired size and the estimated final size.

for example if once u have made the 5% at max quality u get an estimated final size for the movie around 1000 mb and u want to encode the movie at 700 mb u will have a compressibility % = 70 % because : (700/1000) * 100 = 70%

why UNDERSIZED file :
-----------------------

it's used because for exemple if u estimate the first pass at max quality = 1000 mb and u want to encode the movie on 1400 mb u will obtain a final file around 1000 mb because the codec have encode it at MAX quality, and u will have an undersized file.
(in this case the comp % = (1400/1000) * 100 = 140 % ).

why OVERSIZED file :
----------------------

and same thing , if u ask a final size = 300 Mb while the first pass
say u the movie request 1000 mb for a perfect quality, even if the codec try to very very compress it, it will never rush a so little size.

-----------------------------------------------------
this is correct for the divx3,4,5,xvid ... codec but for the rv9 the codec apparently doesn't work like this.
first in rv9 the keyframe are not bigger than a normal frame, skipping frame during compresibility test is useless.
and rv9 can skip frame or smooth them to get close to the desired bitrate.
and at max quality there is not a huge difference beetween the same sample at different resolutions.

to sumup made an accurate compressibility test for rv9 is strong :( and request a lot of tests and i have no time for this, sorry.

and sorry again for my poor english hope u have anderstand my little explinations.

Bye.

karl_lillevold

8th September 2003, 01:19

As you may know, the compressibility number is a measure of your current bits/pixel number (calculated from your target filesize and video resolution), relative to the number of bits/pixel needed for MAX quality. The dilemma with RV9 is that its Quality=100 mode will create a huge file, with much higher fidelity than you can really appreciate. Therefore, if compressibility in RV9 was calculated relative to Quality=100, you would get very very small numbers. So when I assisted D-C with RV9 compressibility, I chose like Quality=83 to be the "max" quality. This seems to provide reasonable compressibility numbers for some test content (40-60%).

So what does it mean when RV9 compressibility is > 100. It simply means that with the target filesize you have chosen for your video, it would be encoded at higher quality than Quality=83. In the case of 240%, you would get extremely high quality, and your target filesize is most likely much too high.

It may be that our "max reference" quality of 83 is too low, so please provide some feedback so D-C can tune this number.

Generally, I don't use compressibility too frequently. I tend to look at which number of bits/pixel my target filesize corresponds to. For RV9-EHQ I try not to go below 0.13 bits/pixel, but I have been told for some content, one can go below this. Any higher than 0.18-0.20, and you would probably be better off encoding at a higher resolution, or lower filesize.

Hope this helps.

Dr Satan

9th September 2003, 00:31

Thanks for the response, however I think I might have phrased the problem wrong...

Y'know how real player drops frames to meet target bitrate, well it's doing this in the compressibility check, therefore giving inaccurate results since it's encoding at what looks like 3fps in parts.

This is what I believe lead to the oversized compressibility. Is there a way to force the producer to compress all frames for the check?

ookzDVD

9th September 2003, 03:39

@karl_lillevold,

You are right,
I just delete the reg key for the EHQ and now ML 6 is working well.

Thank you.

Generally, I don't use compressibility too frequently. I tend to look at which number of bits/pixel my target filesize corresponds to. For RV9-EHQ I try not to go below 0.13 bits/pixel, but I have been told for some content, one can go below this. Any higher than 0.18-0.20, and you would probably be better off encoding at a higher resolution, or lower filesize.

How about the normal mode, not EHQ ? Should be > 0.13 ?

@DC,

Just can't wait to have the final one :)

Dark-Cracker

9th September 2003, 04:05

hi,

i have say it i have do it :)

FINAL VERSION !!!

DOWNLOAD LINK :
----------------
http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=17
(remember u can download the VB runtime needed in the other download setion in my site web : www.dark-angel.does.it)

PS: i have bundle the real audio 5.1 package, and the fixed dll needed for the join :).

Changelog :
-----------

- add DTS audio input
- add a speed test
- improve Hight Motion filtering
- improve finale file size calculation
- improve .smil file
- multilanguage support
- use latest millestone 6
- support anamorphic encode
- work with avisynth v2.5.1
- support .avs input (this mean avi/directshowsource can now open : .rmvb/.mkv/.omg/.avi/.wmv/.mpg/.qt )
- support the "Real Audio 5.1" codec
- support audio 2.0 (stereo) =>5.1 (surround) conversion
- added EHQ mode
- add chapters support for .smil
- add transparent subtitle for .smil
- detect the avisynth error msg
- improve avisynth editor (support credits .avs).
- change latency at 60 sec
- added support for Multichannel (create 6 separate .wav mono file)
- add support for 5.1 input wav file.
- rewritte the rv9 header parser
- improve P4 Hyperthreading support.
- improve the split : more accurate & fix the black screen bug on second part
- fix the problem for the update of avisynth script file
- anamorphic encode support
- support .wav audio input file
- improve smil file for 4/3 movie.
- improve audio part (full azid comfiguration possible,add boost, pre gain .... etc )
- add bicublin resize
- support 1 pass QB 100%
- support 1 pass CBR
- support 1/2 pass VBR
- add a compressibility test.
- improve crop window
- add ratio 1:1 to enter manualy your resize value.

ookzDVD

9th September 2003, 05:03

@DC,

It's fast :)

Btw, the Program title windows still : AutoRV9 Beta 6 :)
it's coming with ML 6 :) not ML 5 is it ??

Dark-Cracker

9th September 2003, 06:52

dohhh i forget to change the title :( i will secretly replace the .exe file :) and yes it come bundle with Millestone 6.

EDIT : i forget to say it come bundle with 8 language file (french, german, turkish, chinese, italian, spanish, japanese, english)

if some people are interested to translated it in other language u are welcome :) .

Bye.

karl_lillevold

9th September 2003, 07:27

Originally posted by Dr Satan
Y'know how real player drops frames to meet target bitrate, well it's doing this in the compressibility check, therefore giving inaccurate results since it's encoding at what looks like 3fps in parts.

This is what I believe lead to the oversized compressibility. Is there a way to force the producer to compress all frames for the check?
As far as I know, that's how the 5% of the movie is supposed to be encoded for the compressibility test. The Avisynth function SelectRangeEvery(Video,280,14) is used (see "filename_CompCheck.avs"), which extraxts 14 frames every 280 frames. If you were to encode all the frames for the test, it would take as long as encoding the complete file.

Actually, while I am running this test right now, I noticed a problem in AutoRV9 1.3b6. Not sure if it has been fixed in 1.3Final. maxBitrate in AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad is set to 999999, which over-rides the vbrQuality=83 parameter. This will limit the quality of the compressibility encode, resulting in too high compressibility numbers, I think. maxBitrate for the comp test should be set to something like 99999999 to avoid it affecting the result.

@ookzDVD: yes, something like 0.18-0.2 bits/pixel was my experience required before EHQ, but your milage may of course vary. Experiments well tell.

@D-C: congratulations on completing version 1.3!

Big_Berny

9th September 2003, 13:27

Hi,
since beta6, I think, I have a problem:
I captured the Simpsons with a resolution of 384x288. Then I crop it:
Up: 10
Down: 6
Left: 10
Right: 6

Now I don't want to resize the movie, so I deactivate it manually by editting the final avs-file. If I use "2dClean" the producer crashes at the beginning. But if I use "Mipsmooth" it works normally.
I also tried to set the resize-resolution to the cropped resolution (368x272), but it crashes too.

Do you understand my problem?
It crashes when "croppedsize=resizesize + 2dclean"

Any solution?
Thx
Big_Berny

Dark-Cracker

9th September 2003, 17:57

hi,

@karl
yes finaly i was motivated :) and i have work all the night to release the final version, i still have some idear to improve it but i will keep them for the next release :)

@Big_Berny
i have tested and i can't reproduce this bug, try with an Millestone 5 if u say this doesn't happen with the previous beta.
another suggestion is to be sure your resolution was a modulo 4 .
and my last suggestion is to be sure u have all the msvcrt7 runtime because generaly some avisynth filters have this for dependency.

PS: does the preview with avisynth in the mediaplayer crash ? or only when the encode start ?

BYe.

karl_lillevold

9th September 2003, 18:49

@Big_Berny: hard to tell where the problem is. After a configuration that as crashed, could you try the following:

open cmd line window
cd to your_autorv9_folder
cd softs\rp9_light
then type:
producer -i <path_to_contents\yourfilename_Movie.avs> -ad c:\autorv9_Movie.rpad -lc e,d -am music -o output.rmvb

what happens? which module crashes? is there anything in producer.log?

Then edit yourfilename_Movie.avs to remove the 2dclean filter.

Try the same procedure again.

In both cases, try to open this avs file in VirtualDub or MPC. Is there a problem there as well? If yes, then it's a 2dclean problem.

olorin

9th September 2003, 19:42

Great prog this AutoRV9! :)

I'm just trying out the new v1.3 and get some strange comp test results. I get like >5000% on every movie. Don't know but maybe it has something to do with the .rpad file?

<avgBitrate type="uint">1</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">16000</maxBitrate>

EDIT: Ok, maybe not...
<encodingType type="string">vbrQuality</encodingType>
<quality type="uint">80</quality>

So you decided to lower it from 83 instead of increasing it :)

olorin

Big_Berny

9th September 2003, 21:01

I can reproduce the error with all my avis!

It's not the producer also the VideoPreview crashes.
If I deactivate 2dClean or Crop, encoding works but not the VideoPreview.
With Milestone 5 I have the same problem.

Clonclusion: I think the problem with the Videopreview is not the same as the encoding problem. And the problem is somewhere in the 2dClean+crop, because with Mipssmooth it works!

Some thing else to test?

jollytim

11th September 2003, 20:31

I was very skeptical of using a different codec, I haven't had much success in the past with anything but DivX (in most flavors). Lately I've been interested in the progress of new codecs and encoding schemes with wavelet and fractal codecs being of paticular interest. Well anyhow I stumbled upon this thread and downloaded the 1.3 version of AutoRV9. Using a fresh vob of StarTrekIV (okay maybe I could have found a video that exercised this codec more) but I recently encoded using Divx5 (Kaukuri beta) and was moderately happy. I tried using AutoRV9 with all the quality features (I don't recall the exact settings though I could post the log if requested) and 40 hours later (it took that long with my P3800) I'm done. I was very disappointed with the extremely long encode time until I looked at the results......WOW. I thought I was looking at DVD. Far better than my beloved Divx. Great job on a quality codec and great job on a quality GUI package. I've used BeSweet almost since it inception and am glad you included it. I shot for a 700MB filesize and that was accomplished. The encode was around 855kB for the video even with 192kB audio. It doesn't matter if I use Divx Player (2.5) or MPC, the results are fantastic.

Big_Berny

11th September 2003, 21:22

Another thing that is strange, is, that when I put the crop-command on the avs-file which I open with AutoRV9 it works!

Dr Satan

12th September 2003, 10:46

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
As far as I know, that's how the 5% of the movie is supposed to be encoded for the compressibility test. The Avisynth function SelectRangeEvery(Video,280,14) is used (see "filename_CompCheck.avs"), which extraxts 14 frames every 280 frames. If you were to encode all the frames for the test, it would take as long as encoding the complete file.
I must have worded what I'm trying to say badly. I know only 5% of the file is to be encoded for a comp check, and I understand how it picks those frames. This is not the problem however.

You know RV9 will drop the frame rate to meet a given bitrate? Well, it's doing this during comp checks. I got a high % after a check so I viewed the file, and in parts it was running as low as 3fps. In parts it was like watching a still image slideshow. The low framerate kicked in after a few scenes of high motion. The framerate was not dropped in this fashon in the final encode.

Now I know frames are dropped during a comp check, but the frame rate is supposed to stay the same as the original right?

In the check I did, because the rv9 codec was dropping some of the frames it was being sent (hence the low framerate) it was in fact encoding less than the requested 5% of the movie.

Sorry for the confusion.

karl_lillevold

12th September 2003, 18:17

i understand what the problem is now. Thanks for clarifying. I am pretty sure it's related to the maxBitrate parameter used in AutoRV9's compression test audience file (c:\AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad). In my test it was 999999, which is too low. olorin says it's as low as 16000. What happens when Producer encodes at fixed quality 83, and it exceeds the maxBitrate, is that it will lower the quality, and eventually also skip frames. Like I wrote, maxBitrate in the CompTest case, needs to be a very very large number, like 99999999. This is a problem that should be corrected in AutoRV9.

@DrS: can you check what the maxBitrate is in your c:\AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad file?

Dark-Cracker

12th September 2003, 19:46

i have made some changes in the compressibility test :) (i have forget to change the 16000 value used during my tests , sorry ... )

i have reupload the archive, and i give u a direct link :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/autorv9_comptest.zip

(replace the old .exe by this one and say me if all work fine :) ).

PS : does someone know a siteweb where i can send my software submission ? version 1.3 is very stable and i want other people know it and of course use rv9 :)

@all
thank u for your support, this give me my motivation :)

Bye.

bond

12th September 2003, 20:50

first of all i have to say that thanks to d-c's new release (great prog!!!) i tested rv9 again after a long time and i was really impressed!
i will test it a little bit more on full 1cd rips but till now it seems that rv9 is going to be my second favourite video codec (equally to xvid) :)
karl really made a great codec (the only thing we still need is a vcm codec to use it in virtualdub :D )

only one thing which i really dislike is the very strong (too strong) smoothing in high motion scenes leading to ugly results, perhaps there is already a way to avoid this somehow?

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
i have made some changes in the compressibility test :) (i have forget to change the 16000 value used during my tests , sorry ... )i think you use 1 pass for the comptest?
i got a value of 120% with your fixed .exe, but if i make a full 2-pass encode i dont get an undersized file with the same source!? why that?

PS : does someone know a siteweb where i can send my software submission ? version 1.3 is very stable and i want other people know it and of course use rv9 :)point doom9 to your new version, i am sure he will post it on his main page