SVCD with VCD Resolution with MPEG2 ??? [Archive]

adam

30th November 2001, 18:27

Originally posted by Mozart
Not. It should not. To be svcd compatible has nothing to do with to be CVD compatible.

Mozart the Super VCD format itself was derived, in part, from the CVD format and all Super VCD compliant dvd players are REQUIRED to be able to play CVD, so I don't see how you can claim compatibility on players has nothing to do with CVD. Did you maybe think I was referring to vcd? Note I am not claiming this disk is svcd compliant, I'm claiming that it may be CVD compliant, which would make it compatible with ALL Super VCD hardware players.

Taken from http://www.uwasa.fi/~f76998/video/svcd/overview
"the Department of Science and Technology of Ministry of Information Industry forced a compromise in incorporating CVD and SVCD under a single umbrella format called "Chaoji Video CD" in November 1998.

"Chaoji VCD" (which roughly translates to 'Super VCD') is not actually a new disc format, but more like a compatibility specification for players. A Chaoji VCD player must be able to play back at least SVCD, CVD, VCD 2.0, VCD 1.1 and CD-DA discs.

Today, all of the so-called 'SVCD' players in production are actually Chaoji VCD players."

I am not familiar with the exact specs of the CVD format but my understanding was that it resembled the svcd format in all ways except that it supported vcd resolutions instead of 480x480/576. If I am wrong then please correct me.

But if my assumption about the specs is correct then a disk like this will conform to the CVD format and it SHOULD play in ALL svcd compatible dvd players. If it doesnt play on your standalone then you either authored your disk incorrectly or it is a problem with YOUR dvd player.

Mozart

30th November 2001, 18:51

As yourself said, you are doing assumptions. "Assumptions" cannot make CVD compliance for DVD players SVCD compliant.

adam

30th November 2001, 19:06

I don't quite understand your last statement but I made it very clear that a disk formatted like this will NOT be Svcd compliant but that it WILL be svcd compatible, meaning it will play on svcd compliant hardware players.

I am making assumptions as to what the specs of the CVD format are, not to the compatibility of the CVD format on Super VCD compliant players...THAT is a fact.

As I said before, a "svcd" with vcd resolutions MAY be CVD compliant, I don't know because I have never been able to get a copy of the CVD specs. But if it is CVD compliant than it SHOULD play on any Super VCD compliant dvd player, that much cannot be disputed.

Mozart

30th November 2001, 19:15

this comes from the same page that you linked to me

To sum it all up: SVCD discs can be used to deliver karaoke or music videos, movies, home videos, still image slide shows, product catalogs and games much the same way as VCD 2.0 discs. However, SVCD standard is not a direct superset of VCD 2.0 standard. It is not possible to use VCD 2.0 frame sizes or MPEG-1 video if you want to create a standard SVCD disc.

And now? Is the same guy right and wrong?

adam

30th November 2001, 19:22

Mozart, again I'll have to ask you again to re-read all of my previous posts. Note In all my posts I was referring to CVD, NOT VCD.

And that quote you posted specifically says that if you use vcd resolutions than it wont be svcd COMPLIANT. I am not saying this disk will be svcd compliant I am saying it will be compatible with svcd compliant players, there is a difference.

And I did a little more searching and it turns out that my assumptions appear to be accurate.

"CVD, SVD and HQ VCD appear to differ primarily with respect to the video resolution supported"

"The C-Cube-backed CVD supports so-called half-D1 resolution (352 pixels per horizontal resolution line)" http://www.eetonline.com/news/98/1014news/factions.html

So it appears that the CVD format is basically just a svcd with vcd resolutions (as best as I can tell without official specs), and I have already made it clear that a CVD formatted disk should play on ANY svcd compliant dvd player.

Mozart

30th November 2001, 19:33

So it appears that the CVD format is basically just a svcd with vcd resolutions (as best as I can tell without official specs), and I have already made it clear that a CVD formatted disk should play on ANY svcd compliant dvd player.

you said it twice and I do understand it. But the same guy who told this for you said, in the same page, that "It is not possible to use VCD 2.0 frame sizes or MPEG-1 video if you want to create a standard SVCD disc"

don't you know what these means?
standard = specifications compliant
VCD 2.0 frame size = vcd resolution.

Could you tell me why some words of this guy are true and others aren't?

Mozart

30th November 2001, 19:40

anyway, are you saying that if something is not compliant it maybe compatible? This don't make any sence. Compatibility and compliance are 2 faces of the same coin.

adam

30th November 2001, 19:49

I feel like I am repeating myself here. If you use vcd resolutions in a "svcd" then you are in fact making a CVD. No it is not a standard SVCD as the mentioned document states, its not a svcd at all, I myself have said this numerous times in this thread. A standard SVCD means that it conforms to the SVCD specifications. I am saying that a disk formatted like this will conform to the CVD specifications. Does the mentioned document say anywhere that if you use vcd resoltutions it wont conform to the CVD specs? A svcd compatible dvd player does not just play svcds it plays a number of other formats, one of which just happens to be a CVD. No it is not a svcd but yes it will play on svcd players...that is all I am saying.

There is no need to try to make it appear the author of that document is contradicting himself. The info posted regarding CVD compatibility with SVCD compliant players is well documented. I could find a number of other sources if that one isnt good enough.

adam

30th November 2001, 19:57

Originally posted by Mozart
anyway, are you saying that if something is not compliant it maybe compatible? This don't make any sence. Compatibility and compliance are 2 faces of the same coin.

I think you are really stretching here. Compliancy means your disk conforms to a standard, compatibility means that standard is supported by your player. A svcd compatible hardware player can play, among other formats, both Super VCD and CVD. This is a requirement.

If your disk conforms to either the Super VCD format or the CVD format than it will be compatible on your hardware player. It is quite possible to be non-compliant with the Super VCD format and still be compatible with players that support Super VCD. A dvd is a perfect example.

Mozart

30th November 2001, 20:02

A svcd compatible dvd player does not just play svcds it plays a number of other formats, one of which just happens to be a CVD

wrong. The right statement should be "A svcd compatible dvd player does not just play svcds it plays a number of other formats, one of which just may be a CVD."

I am not trying to question the knowledge of the author. It was you who quote only those things that fits you desire, hidding - or ignoring - some of others statements in the same text.

adam

30th November 2001, 20:19

You really should try reading my posts before attacking me. I don't see why I have to post the same quote twice to make my point but here goes.

"Chaoji VCD" (which roughly translates to 'Super VCD') is not actually a new disc format, but more like a compatibility specification for players. A Chaoji VCD player must be able to play back at least SVCD, CVD, VCD 2.0, VCD 1.1 and CD-DA discs.

Today, all of the so-called 'SVCD' players in production are actually Chaoji VCD players."

Super VCD is a format which incorporates the CVD, HQ-VCD, and SVCD formats, (Note SVCD is NOT the same thing as Super VCD.) If a player can play Super VCD then it MUST play CVD. This is not an option it is a requirement. I did not make this up and I did not try to hide anything. I typed the url, you can read the full document, or you can do a web search and find many more. If your disk conforms to the CVD standard than it MUST play on any Super VCD compatible hardware player. If it doesnt then it is the fault of the player. You simply can't argue against that, its a well documented fact.

Mozart

30th November 2001, 20:40

Adam

Sorry, but I'm not attacking you. You just misunderstood what Jukka Aho said in that article. He said that Chinese government forced the industry to assembly svcd standalone players compatible with SVCD and CVD. If the dvd player is assembled in China, it also need to have this dual compatibility issue.

As you probably know, a lot of DVD players SVCD compatible aren't assembled in China (example: Pioneer). Thus, they don't need to be CVD compatible. Did you got it?

Please, read that article carefully. Ok?

adam

30th November 2001, 20:52

I have read the article numerous times and I feel I fully understand what it is saying. Super VCD is an international standard which is backward compatible with CVD, just because it was developed in China does not mean only players built in china must conform to that standard.

The article is very clear.

"A Chaoji VCD player must be able to play back at least SVCD, CVD, VCD 2.0, VCD 1.1 and CD-DA discs."

"Today, all of the so-called 'SVCD' players in production are actually Chaoji VCD players."

It specifically states that CVD support is required for all 'SVCD' players. If this stipulation was confined only to players manufactured in China then I am sure it would have said that. I suggest YOU read the article carefully. OK?

Mozart

30th November 2001, 21:18

come on man!! Are you blind?

A Chaoji VCD standalone player
A "svcd" - between quotemarks - standalone player

not a DVD player svcd compliant

This is only about standalone players made in China. Just because only in China CVD disks were selled in the past.

adam

30th November 2001, 21:47

Well I think I'm blind now.

So now your saying a dvd player isnt considered a standalone player? Oh ok that makes alot of sense. What exactly are you saying because your argument changes with every post?

I don't care to argue about this with you, there are numerous sources which state exactly what I have been saying all along. You are correct, this document IS only referring to Chinese players, but that is only because the document predates IEC. Super VCD is now an international standard which is comprised of three other formats, CVD, SVCD, and HQ-VCD. Any player that claims to be Super VCD Compliant, regardless of where its manufactured, MUST be able to play CVD, regardless of where the format originated. I think you are failing to realize that SVCD and Super VCD are NOT the same thing. The very definition of a Super VCD player is that it can play SVCD, HQ-VCD, and yes CVD!

Rather than argue about the intent of the author of this particular article how about doing some research of your own on the matter? As I said, the subject is well documented. Why not find an article in your native language, since its obvious English isnt your strong point, (not an attack just an observation.) Please show me any reliable source which states that CVD is only supported on players manufactured in China, or that the Super VCD format only applies to Chinese players.

Mozart

30th November 2001, 22:53

I don't care if my English is a broken English. Maybe english grammar is whortless for me. I do have enough knowledge and vocabulary to read English texts. It is not necessary a great language domain to understand what a text wants to mean. If somebody misunderstand the sence of each sentence wrote in an article, it is a problem of use of brain, and language knowledge cannot do anything with this.

I'm not changing any word of my arguments.

maybe you don't know what means standalone svcd players. Well, here (http://www.chinashinco.lalasho.com/parse/parse.ecgi?tache_id=1) are some examples. Jukka Aho said that these svcd players should be called "svcd" players, because as a matter of fact they are "chaoji video CD" players (and, being chaoji players, they can play not only svcd, but cvd and others formats also). That was the Chinese requirement. But only for these players. That was history, as Jukka himself said.

a standalone dvd player is, first of all, a dvd player. If it can play svcd, then it is so-called "standalone dvd player svcd compatible".
Pay atention: SVCD compatible. Not standalone SVCD player. Not CVD compatible. It may - but not should - be CVD compatible. Most (all?) of chinese DVD assemblers makes standalone DVD players which can play anything, including CVD. They do that because of the chinese market.

to the point:
SVCD spec: set of rules for a kind of video disk called SVCD - not chaogi VCD.
chaogi VCD: the (standalone) player that can play SVCD, CVD, VCD... But not DVD.

But you cannot understand it. Right?

sonni_kuba

1st December 2001, 05:18

Since I started this thread, I actually tried encoding at 352x240 (NTSC) with both traditional VCD (MPEG1) and SVCD(MPEG2) video compression.

The results:
At a bitrate of 1150 kb/s, obviously MPEG2 looked much better than MPEG1. The macroblocks were pretty much invisible in MPEG2 vs. MPEG1

I have a new APEX AD-600A and it played back both 352x240 MPEG1 and 352x240 MPEG2 videos.

Now whether, this format (CVD-like) can be played in (all, some, ???) SVCD-compatible DVD players is obviously a very hotly debated topic. Perhaps, I can suggest, some of you guys try encoding a minute or two of video in SVCD mode, changing only the resolution down to 340x252 or the PAL equivalent, and reporting which DVD player you have, and the success rate achieved.

If most DVD players can read this CVD format, then there really is no point in encoding 352x240 with MPEG1.

Mozart

1st December 2001, 15:12

Apex is assembled in China (http://www.vddv.com/products/dvdplayer.htm)...

There is a really good test to verify if the dvd player svcd compatible is cvd compatible also. This test was done with a lot of dvd players and its results are available here (http://www.vcdhelp.com/dvdlist/dvdplayers.html)

but, where is the test?

well, IAuthor subtitles are CVD-style subtitles. If the player can play SVCD, but cannot play its subtitles (made by IAuthor, of course), then this DVD player is SVCD compatible and CVD uncompatible.

Who told me that Iauthor subs are actually CVD-style? Read here (http://www.vcdimager.org/pub/vcdimager/examples/test_svcd/).

adam

3rd December 2001, 19:53

Mozart you obviously don't understand the difference between SVCD and Super VCD, since you keep referring to dvd players as "svcd compatible." Please do some research as to what IEC standardization means and then check the IEC for Super VCD (http://www.iec.ch/cgi-bin/procgi.pl/www/iecwww.p?wwwlang=E&wwwprog=cat-det.p&wartnum=026521), and also note that one doesnt exist for SVCD. The reason for this is because Super VCD is an international standard, whereas SVCD is not.

In order for any hardware player anywhere in the world to play Super VCD or SVCD it MUST conform to the IEC spec. This means that no dvd player made since IEC standarization will simply play SVCD, it MUST support Super VCD or nothing at all. Now please re-read Jukka Aho's article again and tell me that he doesnt say, "Chaoji VCD" (which roughly translates to 'Super VCD') is not actually a new disc format, but more like a compatibility specification for players. A Chaoji VCD player must be able to play back at least SVCD, CVD, VCD 2.0, VCD 1.1 and CD-DA discs."

Any dvd player which is "SVCD compatible" is in fact Super VCD compatible and the Super VCD standard includes the cvd standard. I am not misreading the article and neither are you, you are simply choosing to ignore the facts.

Originally posted by Mozart

well, IAuthor subtitles are CVD-style subtitles. If the player can play SVCD, but cannot play its subtitles (made by IAuthor, of course), then this DVD player is SVCD compatible and CVD uncompatible.

That's a pretty self serving test isn't it? The fact is that the majority of Super VCD compatible dvd players don't support any form of soft encoded subs, CVD compatible or otherwise. Soft encoded subtitle support is included in the Super VCD standard but it is not required for compliance. If your Super VCD compatible dvd player doesnt support I-Author's subs then it probably just doesnt support subtitles at all. You cannot use subtitles as a test for SVCD or CVD compliance.

Mozart

3rd December 2001, 21:10

Chaoji VCD (which roughly translates to 'Super VCD') is not actually a new disc format, but more like a compatibility specification for players. A Chaoji VCD PLAYER must be able to play back at least SVCD, CVD, VCD 2.0, VCD 1.1 and CD-DA discs

SuperVCD (like Philips calls) is not SVCD...Huummm...(edit: just to be clear: this question/statment is an IRONIC sentence. SVCD, SuperVCD and even Super Video CD means exactly the same thing in the Philips Authoring And Verifier tools documentation.
Ehhh... Maybe VideoCD is not the same thing of VCD... Maybe even CD is not actually Compact Disc...)

Surely you are misreading that article... But I don't care anymore.

adam

3rd December 2001, 21:46

Originally posted by Mozart

SuperVCD (like Philips calls) is not SVCD...Huummm...

Surely you are misreading that article... But I don't care anymore.

Sarcastic or not you are correct, historically the term Super VCD is not the same as SVCD, as clearly explained in the article. If you can't understand this then you obviously didn't read that article too closely, since it states the history of the Super VCD format quite clearly. SVCD and CVD support was included in a single unbrella format called Super VCD. Yes the terms SVCD and Super VCD are largely used interchangibly NOW but their historical significance is very well documented. Again, I not basing my arguments solely on this single document. Like I have said all along, there are plenty of other articles on this. Whether you think I am misreading that article or not it is a fact that any player that can play SVCD should also be able to play CVD. If you don't believe me that's fine but if you want to argue this point I suggest you find some factual evidence to disprove my statements, rather than just assume that I must be misreading my sources.

sonni_kuba

8th December 2001, 05:06

I strongly encourage people to see if this new format (SVCD at 352x240 with MPEG2 video compression) is supported by their DVD players. I just burnt a 140 min movie onto a single 80 min CD. The quality is exceptional. Better than a VCD at 1150 kb/s. It did take 24hrs to make with TMPG on the highest priority, but when you consider fitting an entire movie onto one CD, it really doesn't make sense to use MPEG1 VCD technology.

Just my two cents...

orandennison

15th December 2001, 11:00

This is a really interesting idea. I just tried it out myself, but for testing purposes there's a couple of pieces of info that we should know:

1)I was hoping that sonni_kuba could upload his tmpgenc settings file so that anybody interested in testing it out would be using the same settings.

I've attatched a template that I used. I made it out of one of the templates that comes with tmpgenc: "VideoCD (NTSCFilm).mcf". the file extension for tmpegenc profiles is .mcf so if you want to use my profile be sure to change the file extension to ".mcf".

2) The other thing that's important for us to know is the method you used to burn it. Did you just drag the muxed mpeg into nero or did you use vcdimager to make a .cue/.bin? Did you use the -svcd flag with vcdimager or "Super Video CD" mode in nero? or was everything treated as a normal VCD?

I decided to test this out on my Pioneer DV-434 DVD player.

I used the opening credits and first couple of minutes of video from the sopranos season2 episode 7. I frameserved with dvd2avi (force film mode) and I encoded in tmpgenc using the attached profile. If you're familiar with the sopranos you know that the opening credits is kind of noisy video with a lot of random fast motion- shot from the inside of a car as Tony Soprano drives home.

I encoded the same source with mpeg1 to compare with, and burned the mpeg1 file with nero using the "video cd" setting- which is exactly what that file was.

Then for the mpeg2 file I used nero to burn as well. I first tried burning it using the "Video CD" setting. When I tried playing in the DV-434 I wound up with the same thing sorrydaijin wrote in the top of this thread- the video only filled the upper left quarter of the screen.

Then I burned it again- this time using the "Super Video Cd" setting in nero. This time the video played full screen on the DV-434.

What I found was that the normal Mpeg1 VideoCD format looked a lot better than the Mpeg2 CVD or whatever you want to call it (the mpeg2 video with vcd resolution).

The mpeg2 version had significant blockiness- and while it was hard to say if it was more blockiness than a normal VCD it was still very prominent and I found it distracting.

Even worse than the blockiness was how the Mpeg2 version flickered on my screen. It flickered at the top and bottom of the letterboxing much worse than anything I've ever seen before, and there was noticable flickering wherever there was a hard straight line in the video. (credits, signs, railings, etc.)

I'd be really curious to see how sonni_kuba burned his mpeg2 file. Was it treated as a "VCD" or "SVCD"?

Cheers-
Oran

sonni_kuba

15th December 2001, 15:50

If there is significant interest, then I would like to upload a video segment onto the net.

Anyways, regarding the settings...

The DVD I was using for these tests was Rob Roy NTSC. I like it because, a lot of the scenes out in the open fields are very hard to compress using video codecs.

I created a d2v project using DVD2AVI, using Forced Film. I then, saved the d2v file as an avs using GKnot (without resizing or cropping). I opened the .avs and the original .wav in TMPGEnc.

From there, I loaded the settings for a FILM SVCD. Now, I kept all the other settings the same, just changing the resolution to 352x240. I insisted on 2Pass Manual VBR, where I dialed in my avg. bitrate as well as the max and min. (This, is one of the advantages of using MPEG2 - the variable distribution of bitrates according to the demands of each particular scene).

For audio, I checked off 96kb, since I was trying to fit an entire movie onto 1 80 min (797MB) CD.

After encoding with TMPGEnc. I demultiplexed with TMPGEnc. and multiplexed with BBMPEG, checking off SVCD video stream.

For burning, I clicked on SVCD in Nero, and after Nero telling me that my file is not compatible, I clicked ignore, and burned the CD-RW anyway.

Now obviously, the 2pass Manual VBR is MUCH longer to encode, but it represents a large improvement over CBR, where one scene `wastes` kb and another action scene cannot demand enough kb per s. Furthermore, MPEG1 video compression has been around since 1991, while MPEG2 was created in the mid 90`s. SO we`re talking about 5 years of development here.

Most importantly, however, is it`s great to hear that your Pioneer (which I do not believe is assembled in China) can play this new format SVCD with VCD resolution. Let us call the format `DCD`. `

Cheers,
Kuba

Mozart

15th December 2001, 19:58

My last decision was "I wont post again in this thread", but I guess it is necessary now. There are 2 things that I want to say:

1) The occidental name of this type of "hacked" video already exist: it is called CVCD, Compressed Video CD, and its fathers are the guys from "that place in Spain" (since 08/2000). There you can find also a tool called DVD2CVCD, which can do for you - "VCD resolution Freaks;)" - almost the same thing that DVD2SVCD does, and much more informations about the settings and compatibility;

2) My words about CVD - China Video Disc - compatibility are stronghly right. It was reported by some users of DVD2SVCD - which new version has SVCD subtitles support - that their players can handle these kind of subs, but not subs made by Iauthor.

adam

17th December 2001, 21:01

1) You are correct this can be considered an CVCD although a CVCD is really nothing more than an xvcd or xsvcd, depending on whether you use mpeg1 or mpeg2. CVCD simply uses a low res, low audio bitrate, and low avg for vbr encoding. It also uses a high P/B frame compression. Also vcdspain did not create this format, its not even a format. Its an encoding technique first used in Xing MPEG encoder.

I was incorrect when I thought that this format was in fact CVD. I have since learned that CVD actually uses a resolution of 352x480, so a "SVCD" with vcd resolution is in fact non-standard in every way. In my defense though, I did make it very clear that I was not calling this "format" a CVD but simply suggesting that it MIGHT be a CVD and if so that it was supported on all Super VCD compatible dvd players. If you use 352x480 instead of 353x240 then it should conform to the CVD standard and be compatible with Super VCD players.

2)I already explained this once. Most Super VCD compatible dvd players don't support any form of soft encoded subtitles. Out of the ones that do many won't support CVD style subs(I-Author's.) That has nothing to do with CVD support however. As I stated subtitles are supported in the SVCD standard as well as the CVD standard, but they are not required. The inference that non CVD sub support correlates to non CVD support is ludicrous. Would you say that a dvd player that doesnt support SVCD style subs must therefore not support SVCDS? After all SVCD style subs are supported in the SVCD standard right? It is very common for a hardware SVCD player to not have support for one aspect of a standard ie: multichannel mpeg audio, 16:9 flag. The reason is because these are OPTIONS, not requirements.

Mozart

17th December 2001, 21:41

1) Mozart CVCD uses mpeg1. It is simply a method of using vbr with mpeg1 while lowering the audio bitrate and using a high P/B frame compression. It is totally non-standard and has limited hardware support. Also vcdspain did not create this format, its not even a format. Its an encoding technique first used in Xing MPEG encoder. Again, this is for mpeg1 not mpeg2.

ha ha ha he he he hi hi hi...LOL... Again talking about something that you don't have any clue about it... Adam, go back to vcdhelp.com to moderate some kiddy folks...

quote from "that place in spain"
El sistema CVCD puede ser realizado tanto como SVCD como VCD Non Standard.

translation: The CVCD encoding can be done either as SVCD or VCD not standard.

Thus, it should be called XSVCD? or XVCD? Maybe! It is called CVCD just because the 1st aim is to fit one DVD into one CD, with as lossless of quality as possible. This means "first of all, we need compression and, because of this, this video format should be called Compressed VCD". It - the CVCD - SURELY can be done using mpeg2 with VCD resolution. If you have any Spanish language skill, you can easyly find a lot of guides about how to do this properly in that Spanish site. But, you don't know anything in "Español". I'm right?

btw: I don't need Spanish skills. "Português" and "Español" have the same mother - Latin - and we know very fine our brothers.

Mozart

17th December 2001, 21:43

lol

editing the fist point just before my reply...

adam

17th December 2001, 21:50

Exactly, I corrected my mistake before you even brought it to my attention. I don't see why that's funny but oh well.

Mozart

17th December 2001, 21:56

Cannot you see why it is funny? I had ended of typing at the same time of your edition... Are you reading minds? :D

adam

17th December 2001, 22:16

So you think I managed to retype the entire post in less than 1 sec? I don't know if you noticed but I changed quite a bit during my editing. I think its quite obvious that I edited my post almost immediately after posting it and that you simply replyed while I was editing. No I did not read your mind, I simply checked back at vcdspain and realized my mistake as soon as I made it. In any case, none of this strikes me as funny.

Mozart

17th December 2001, 22:37

So you think I managed to retype the entire post in less than 1 sec?

no man... nobody has fingers faster than mind's speed...

sonni_kuba

18th December 2001, 03:25

Hey Mozart,

I am interested in CVCD encoding, however, Spanish is not my native tongue. Nevertheless, can you point me to some of their articles detailing this DVD -> 1 80 min CD conversion.

Thanks,

adam

18th December 2001, 17:59

I've never seen CVCDS discussed in detail anywhere other than vcdspain. Your best bet would be to just use a web site translator like http://www.google.com/language_tools. It won't be perfect but you should get the jist of it. Vcdspain has some templates you can use in TMPGenc to encode a CVCD. Just try one out and see if you think the format is worth using.

waldok

21st December 2001, 11:13

THank you guys, Mozart and Adam, it was good fun to read your childish fight on what SVCD means, what Super VCD means, what CVCD means, who's right, who wants to be right, who wants to speak last.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I tried this 352x288 (PAL)resolution on my Tokai 715S standalone player (aka Raite 715 or yamakawa 715) and it just works fine. I personaly would refer to this as a "Super China XSVCD", aka SCXSVCD, and I would like to add 'Z' and 'K' to make it sound really pro (SCXSVCDKZ, if you don't mind)
:D

Seriously speaking, it plays quite fine on my standalone, but you can clearly see the loss of quality due to resolution (352x288 zoomed to fot the screen vs native 480x576).

Still, it works, and allows to put a lot more information on a single CD-R, quite nice for Home videos transfer to SVCD (I'm talking analog material, not DV), but maybe too poor for DV or DVD source.

Waldok.
'Who cares how it's called when it tastes so good ?'
(same goes for alcohol and SVCDs) :)